On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, 2014-09-09 at 16:05 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: >> I'm not sure that's fair, comparing the feature list from F20 >> gnome-software to F21 is huge. People using the COPR have got a sneak >> peak of some of the juicy stuff, but in f20 software was kinda dull. > > Well, with respect to gnome-software, yes, that is much improved. Let me > try to rephrase my point. > > F21 has mostly the same applications as F20 did. We're not "picking the > best components out there" any more than we were before, and we're not > "doing a lot of work to integrate and polish them" any more than we were > before. It is not a "much more polished and targeted product than what > you seen before from the Fedora community." Fedora already had a good > set of default applications, the new set is pretty much the same as it > used to be (exception: devassistant), and improvements in applications > since F20 are all upstream improvements, not Fedora-specific integration > (exception: the PackageKit backend). I completely disagree with that. We do a lot of integration work, and the default set did change a lot, for example the firewall allowing incoming connections to high ports out of the box and there's much less useless stuff installed by default. We also install git by default, for example, which we didn't do before. Overall Fedora 21 comes almost ready for developers to use out of the box. What you're saying effectively tries to diminish all the hard work we've done this cycle, and I don't like this at all. > > Fedora Workstation is pretty much the same as Fedora Desktop was. It's > not some dramatic new product. Christian's intro sounds like a good > marketing pitch, so maybe we want to use it anyway, but it's not very > realistic. It reminds me of the Dominos commercials that made fun of how > much bad their old pizza recipe was to sell their new pizza, but their > new pizza really was different from their old pizza. Our pizza is surely > a bit nicer than it was before, but it's the same incremental > improvement you would expect after one year, not anything radically new. > It's 2 cycles worth of improvements compared to F20 due to the long cycle we've had, plus a lot of integration work and polish both upstream and downstream. You can't just ignore this. > -- > desktop mailing list > desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop -- -Elad Alfassa. -- marketing mailing list marketing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
