I really do think trying to engage these guys is a waste of time. They are gigantic trolls, and want nothing more for us to look less than excellent. I think the best thing to do is ignore them from now on and keep on doing what we do best.... making free software better for everyone. --Jusitn On 11/12/2010 04:20 PM, Charles Kerr wrote: > This week, the Linux Action Show did a review of F14. I gave up listening > to the show a few months back when Bryan said "Fuck you Fedora," but tuned > back in for this show to see if anything had changed. > > It hasn't... but, since I was listening anyway, here's my summary > of their constructive criticism: > > * Even during a slow release cycle (as everyone's preparing for GNOME 3), > it's still important to have something interesting to sell users on the > release. F14 had libjpeg-turbo, D, and openstep, but it didn't have > a "hook." > > * Some of the installer's windows are unpolished. These were cited: > http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Install3.png > http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Install4.png > http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Install6.png > > * gpk-application was found lacking compared to Ubuntu's Software Center. > Chris felt that the latter has added value by allowing users to review > and rate applications, because that allows other users to discover good > applications. > > * More broadly, they felt Fedora's biggest problems is perceptual. > They feel Fedora doesn't offer hardcore users anything Arch doesn't, > that it doesn't offer end-users anything Ubuntu doesn't, and so on. > They felt that Fedora's community could be energized if the project > did a better job at distinguishing itself in the distro market. > > > I know that Rahul, especially, has tried to engage these guys in a dialog in > the past but I think it's a lost cause. They make some good points, but the > show's S/N is not good: > > * Since Fedora-trolling is now literally a feature of the show, > the pair spent four minutes at the beginning of the review discussing > how listeners could tell whether his Fedora-bashing in the review > was serious, or whether it was the show's obligatory trolling. > > * The installer's windows "look like they have Down's syndrome." > > * A full seven minutes was spent riffing on how inappropriate libjpeg-turbo > is for a Top Feature in the announce list, including: > > * Maybe Fedora is trying to attract porn surfers, who need to load > jpegs in a short period of time because they "need to get the job done." > > * Chris floated a theory that RH is paying its people to make weak > Fedora releases so that it won't be serious competition to RHEL. > > * Bryan argued that Fedora's developers may be "the best possible at > self-deprecating humor" and that Fedora is intentionally bad as a > kind of performance art. > > * Two minutes discussing the leopardskin cowboy hat Chris was wearing, > which to give credit where it's due, was awesome. > > > Previously: > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-May/012891.html > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-June/msg00158.html > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-June/msg00170.html > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-November/msg00265.html -- marketing mailing list marketing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
