On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Nelson Marques <07721@xxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 09:45 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: >> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Nelson Marques <07721@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> > Dear all, >> > >> > Something came up the other day in the trans_PT lists and I'm pushing a >> > FAD in Portugal forward. >> > >> > Some minor details are to be found here: >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PtFAD >> > >> > Currently there is no date assigned because our national community is so >> > small that we're trying to select a date where everyone can be present. >> > >> > Once we have the date we're going to place it also on the Event page and >> > follow the normal guidelines for this. >> > >> > Our goals with this FAD is to provide a self-assessment of the Project >> > Fedora in Portugal and it's contributors/user base. >> >> I think this is a good idea; I'd just like to point out, from at least >> my own personal experience, that it will be helpful for you to add >> more specific deliverables to your agenda, rather than a general >> "self-assessment." Even if those deliverables look something like: > > Robyn, > > If I was aware of the current problems of the community, I could for > sure be more specific. But I am not, so I need to understand the > problems for a later plan to fix them and eventually fill in the gaps. > > There is so much to cover, that a single day will not be enough. This is > a first approach to try and understand everything around us (portuguese > contributors). So that later we can segment the information and deal > with it accordingly. > > Segmenting the information now, will probably do far worst than good. > Most of it will be around translations, as it will be our "trojan horse" > to start officializing the community. > >> >> * Hour 1-2: Define the specific items we are going to assess >> * Hours 3-6: Wiki each of these items with detail on where each of >> these specific criteria currently fall on a success scale >> >> etc. Whatever seems logical. It's too easy to spend an entire day >> thinking about a giant document of self-assessment and then not >> getting anything accomplished. If you break it up into individual >> pieces - and by time - I think you are more likely to produce results. > > This is good and we will split it into schedule later on, but this is > being treated in another list and it's just like a "heads-up". > >> >> IMO - The most important thing here to think about is - what are you >> going to do with the information you get from self-assessment? I would >> recommend that you add some time into the schedule for the following: >> >> * Where are you now (which is the self-assessment) >> * Where do you want to be (and what are the criteria for success there) >> * What are your steps and milestones to get from where you are now - >> to where you want to be in the future >> * How are you planning on checking / updating the status of your progress > > Everything will be placed on the wiki and treated after. It would not be > realistic to identify the problems and plan in such few time, specially > when there is no bound between us at the moment. > > After the event we should have accomplished at least this: > > * Number of contributors in Volume and Valor. > * Areas where we are present. > * Problems that lead people away or why they don't join. > * Portuguese Language availability and its importance. > * We have to get 1 or 2 volunteers for Ambassadors, this is a must, else > we will be heavily crippled since the very start. We need EMEA present > if possible to help on this. > > This has to be done and wiki'ed for everyone to see. > > >From this point on, we should be able to present an answer for at least > the following: > > * How we can interact with ourselfs across the project (imagine for > example a fedora-portugal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx). Since we are so few, > this is something that can make all the difference and provide us a way > to keep people mobilized and help newcomers around. I recognize one of > the problems is having people to mentor/tutor newcomers, and the wiki > page referal for information, doesn't help. So if we have the > opportunity, we will try to tutor and help people starting with. Like a > launching ramp. The would integrate with Fedora International Community > through an already established Portuguese community that would be more > user friendly with providing info and helping in a more less formal way, > without overloading other teams which are on full production process. > > * We have for sure to make sure that pt_PT is properly defined for the > Portuguese audience. We don't want to neutralize other contributions, > but if pt_PT will follow the standardized rules used by Portugal. This > will be a benefict for everyone, because it's a large open door for > example Angola, which is one of the most growing economies in the World, > and will enable projects like OLPC in a more effective way, plus > providing more tools to EMEA and establish new bridges. > > * Through me, possible gather more Marketing contributors, that together > with the trans_PT can provide more contents in PT. > > * We should be able also to redifine how to approach other FOSS entities > in Portugal and make Fedora representation more visible. > > > I would consider this to be something "doable". Some right out of the > FAD, other things by processing information on the FAD. I expect to wiki > a lot on that day. > > >> > >> > I'm going to call-in a press release, so there might be journalists >> > present from national specialized and generic press to cover this event, >> > including a TV team from SIC Radical (http://sicradical.sapo.pt/) which >> > is very friendly towards this events and a channel directed to younger >> > people. >> >> How are you planning on using this press time exactly? > > This is a very important thing. First we need to mobilize organizations > like ANSOL, they love the press, the press loves them. Given the fact > that we're going to work around pt_PT, this is a point of interest for > everyone. > > Mobilizing the press. I have some personal contacts I can explore, on a > local basis, I would give them as granted. This is something that > happens in a city which leads world technology in some fields, specially > telecommunications. So we have a link with the city and we do fit well > there. > > At national press, I do have some contacts and can for sure get some > people there, not sure if they we will have material to go over > editorial battles. But there is the possibility of references. Being > ANSOL involved and given the importance of pt_PT goals. There is > material. > > Television - Sic Radical aims for younger generations, for national > projects of all levels. Technology is something they like, and in the > past they were present at events like LAN Parties, etc. Given that we > are doing some heavy ice-breaking work here. I believe I can get their > attention. Besides, making this event on IPAM and using it's name, will > for sure pay off. I would recon that pt_PT will be attractive enough for > them. > > For the press release itself, I will work on it with people from my > school to get something more professional. In fact, within 1 hour or so, > I will be collecting help. Let me be a little more precise here: What exactly will you be doing while, for instance, people from a television crew are taping you? How are you going to make this to be a Fedora Activity Day - where you are getting things accomplished - vs. a Press Event where people are coming to do interviews? Or is your plan to just interact with these entities to discuss future plans for publicity? > > I will run everything before in this list. > > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > I would like to request the following on this list, specially from EMEA. >> > >> > * I am not aware of Portuguese current Ambassadors; if there are none, I >> > would like to check for volunteers during the FAD, as it will become >> > important to have our own Ambassadors. Therefore, I would like to place >> > an invitation for EMEA so send in someone who can represent it if that >> > is possible. >> > >> > * This event is to be reported to Ambassadors list, when the time comes, >> > can I contact someone to pass the word on the Ambassadors list? Gerold? >> > JSimon? Wonderer? >> > >> > * I would like also to know if there are Ambassadors in Spain located in >> > Galicia. If so, I would kindly ask someone of EMEA to check availability >> > on them and address them an invitation as well. Galicia and Portugal are >> > very close in Language, culture and History. We would like for sure to >> > work closer to them. >> > >> > * I would like to place a formal request, and this would be awesome to >> > be discussed during the FAD, once more it could be relevant to have >> > someone from EMEA present, so that future Portuguese Ambassadors could >> > be tutored by EMEA Ambassadors. >> > >> > * I never got to know how Ambassadors do work, but I would like to let >> > everyone know that during this FAD we are taking the Ambassadorial work >> > as very serious thing, and probably as the main critical factor of >> > success in establishing a community in Portugal, and more important keep >> > it alive, which is the hard part. So If there is present a Ambassador >> > from Fedora EMEA, I would request a small presentation about >> > bidirectional communication. Something in the line of: >> > >> > Ambassadorial Work: >> > >> > Represent Fedora before the Community | Represent the Community before >> > Fedora. >> > >> > I would recon this would only work if such connections are established >> > and work in a bidirectional way. >> > >> > * I would like to remember EMEA, that Portugal leads the PALOP's >> > organization (Official Portuguese Speaking Countries in Africa). We are >> > they key for a good part of Africa, and all of them speak and signed all >> > the Portuguese treaties. The Portuguese teached in Africa is the same >> > teached in Portugal. This could be relevant, as Africa is a part of >> > EMEA, and projects like OLPC can be more effective by having a strong >> > Portuguese presence in the Project. >> > >> > >> > Once I have feedback from the current Portuguese team, a date will be >> > set and everyone will be informed in a formal way. I would though >> > request someone from EMEA to pass on a future email to the Ambassadors >> > list. >> > >> > This are some concerns, I would also like to place a request not to >> > troll this thread, as it's something constructive for the benefit of >> > all. >> > >> > Nelson. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > marketing mailing list >> > marketing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing >> > > > -- > Nelson Marques > Evil Clown (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htm) > > -- > marketing mailing list > marketing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > -- marketing mailing list marketing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
