20:01 < themayor> here we go 20:01 < themayor> Marketing meeting now 20:01 * ianweller is here 20:01 * spevack waves 20:02 < JonRob> Jonathan Roberts 20:02 < themayor> inode0: welcome 20:02 < fugolini> hi 20:02 < ianweller> [[User:ianweller|Ian Weller]] ^_^ 20:03 < themayor> haha, where did colby go thats what i want to know 20:03 < themayor> mizmo said she might come late if she does, shes in a meeting 20:04 < themayor> hey lcafiero , wcattey 20:04 < wcattey> G'day Jack. 20:04 < herlo> Clint Savage 20:04 < themayor> lets give it another minute and we will get started 20:04 * lcafiero plays the role of Larry Cafiero 20:05 < lcafiero> oops, sorry. 20:05 < themayor> as himself 20:05 * ianweller is still ianweller 20:05 * tatica MariaLeandro 20:05 * herlo doesn't buy that ianweller 20:05 < themayor> okay can i ask a favor of you guys? can someone play secretary and take notes this week, so we can post them up to the wiki and list 20:06 < JonRob> and is anybody logging? 20:06 * herlo is logging 20:06 < JonRob> would def be good to start keeping both on the wiki :) 20:06 * herlo doublechecks 20:07 < themayor> im logging, but i dont want to throw up a log, dont you think its better we have a notes summary? 20:07 < fugolini> +1 20:07 < herlo> yep, I'm logging, I'll put it up 20:07 < herlo> both are good 20:07 < JonRob> i think both are good 20:07 < JonRob> lol althoguh seems quiet for volunteers on the notes summary! 20:07 < herlo> just mail out the log 20:08 < herlo> and link to it from the wiki 20:08 < themayor> okay whatever better than wasting time 20:08 * gregdek lurks. 20:08 < themayor> herlo: im gonna count on you then to take care of it, thanks 20:08 < herlo> np 20:08 * delhage lurks too 20:09 < themayor> alright, so first up, i wanna refer to the email that i sent in response to jonrob's post about moving the team forward 20:09 < themayor> because there are a few action items there i think we need to move on immediately 20:09 < themayor> mainly a new org structure 20:10 < themayor> i wanna make this brief, i dont want to start a whole governance talk now 20:10 * JonRob notes he's just sent a response that might be useful for later conversations 20:10 < herlo> can we get the link to the mail? 20:10 < themayor> but basically, at a minimum i think we need someone who can send out a log each week of the meeting and post it to the wiki and act as a corresponding secretary 20:11 < JonRob> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-December/msg00109.html 20:11 < JonRob> is the thread 20:11 < themayor> because sometimes i get busy and cant post the log or update the task list and things get lost in translation 20:11 < themayor> welcome abadger1999, your guys meeting is delayed 20:11 < herlo> I think I can now do that, since I'll be more available at this time 20:11 < herlo> I'm happy to od the logs anyway 20:11 < herlo> not so good at summaries 20:12 < themayor> whats better 2pm eastern or 3pm eastern for everyone? 20:12 < fugolini> what's in UTC ? 20:12 < fugolini> 20 21? 20:12 < JonRob> fugolini: 19/20 20:12 * lcafiero is not affected by either. Both are fine. 20:12 < JonRob> i think 20:12 * fugolini think it too 20:12 < tatica> venezuela = 15:43 20:13 < mmcgrath> themayor: you should define it as eastern standard time (EST), eastern daylight time (EDT) or Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) :) 20:13 < herlo> EST is UTC -5 or UTC -6 20:13 < herlo> iirc 20:13 < herlo> depending on Daylight Saving time 20:13 < themayor> lets say 20 utc 20:14 < themayor> because we just need to not step on the infrastructure meeting's toes 20:14 < ianweller> neither meeting time is good for me, i'm still in school usually. ;) 20:14 * quaid dips in 20:14 < mmcgrath> themayor: 20:00 UTC is when our meeting starts (run 'date -u' to find utc) 20:15 < herlo> +1 on 20:00 UTC 20:15 < themayor> yeah i know 20:15 < themayor> we can move back to #mktg if need be 20:16 < themayor> based on what works best for people 20:16 < herlo> there's also #fedora-meeting-{1..4} iirc 20:16 < themayor> okay lets move discussion to the list because its already 15 past 20:17 < themayor> okay so weve got herlo on notes, thats awesome 20:17 < themayor> next 20:17 < themayor> what we do we think of putting together a marketing-release timeline and working on common tasks from that? 20:18 < fugolini> absolutely 20:18 < herlo> is this for every release? 20:18 < JonRob> see: 20:18 < JonRob> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/BrainDump/Time_Based_Schedule 20:18 < JonRob> for an old draft of this idea 20:18 < themayor> yes 20:18 < JonRob> if we're all still on the same line i think we are 20:18 < themayor> there are certain things we need to do around every release and i think it would be good if we established this as a standard and set up milestones, so we know we are taking care of what we need to do 20:19 < lcafiero> +1 20:19 * bpepple pokes his head in. 20:19 < themayor> its too bad rharrison isnt here 20:19 < themayor> because he started working on it last time 20:20 < themayor> anyone want to step up and take that on? 20:20 < JonRob> i don't think there's much to do 20:20 < themayor> say you have 2-3 weeks to put together a timeline 20:20 < themayor> ? 20:20 < JonRob> just build on what's one the link i just sent 20:20 < JonRob> and solicit feedback from list for further input 20:21 < themayor> JonRob: would you be able to take care of that then? 20:21 < fugolini> It's a reasonable time, maybe putting some check point to see if we are still moving 20:21 < fugolini> *points 20:21 < JonRob> themayor: i wish i could, i've still 7000 words to write in the next few weeks :( 20:21 < herlo> JonRob: I think your timeline could use some help though. The events listed there (LinuxTag/FISL) only happen once a year don't they? 20:21 < JonRob> herlo, yeah, i know it needs work 20:21 < herlo> I'm just not sure if this is the forum to have that discussion 20:22 < JonRob> but it's a good overview of the kind of activities we'd want to include 20:22 < herlo> agreed 20:22 < herlo> It's something the Ambassadors could use to gauge status and focus 20:22 * JonRob looks for msg from paul about this 20:22 < herlo> as well as anyone who is involved in just one part of the marketing structure 20:22 < themayor> what do you guys think about not having events on it? maybe just fudcons? 20:23 < herlo> I think the events are tantamount to promoting Fedora 20:23 < herlo> but that we can make them more generic 20:23 < herlo> common goals, themes, etc each release cycle 20:23 < fugolini> +1^10000000 20:24 < JonRob> i think the events provide us with a valuable chance to gather marketing resources 20:24 < herlo> having a 'stage' to work within can be very helpful 20:24 < themayor> we need a good person, with full grasp of scope to take this on 20:24 < themayor> because i dont think just anyone could necessarily do it successfully 20:25 < themayor> no? 20:25 < herlo> I don't necessarily think it has to be one person... 20:25 < herlo> it could be a few 20:25 < ianweller> fugolini: you do realize that 1 to the ten millionth is just 1, right? ;) 20:25 < themayor> well one to start, or a group yes 20:25 < fugolini> ianweller: I'm ignorant :D 20:25 < JonRob> what about if we follow docs lead and arrange a time for a virtual hackfest on this? 20:25 < fugolini> a group it would be better 20:25 < JonRob> we could have it sorted in an hour or two between a group working at one time 20:26 < herlo> my theory is that no one person knows everything about Fedora and Marketing 20:26 < themayor> JonRob: yeah, thats an excellent idea 20:26 < themayor> what do the others think? 20:27 < fugolini> JonRob: maybe a gobby session, I know all the planned gobby sessions weren't realized, but it could be the first time 20:27 < herlo> werks for me 20:27 < JonRob> fugolini: sounds like it would be a good approach :_ 20:27 < JonRob> :) 20:27 < herlo> fugolini: +1, gobby is great 20:27 < ianweller> gobby would be good 20:28 < lcafiero> +1 20:28 < themayor> alright so do we want to set a time now to meet up and do this? 20:29 < herlo> well, docs is doing theirs during the holidays 20:29 < themayor> do we want to do it then or not? 20:30 < fugolini> I think it would be better, just 20:30 < lcafiero> When is docs doing theirs exactly? 20:30 < herlo> during the holidays 20:30 < fugolini> take a look at docs, in fact ... 20:30 * herlo doesn't have specific dates.. 20:30 < lcafiero> Oh, okay, nothing set, then. 20:30 < lcafiero> thanks, herlo 20:31 < herlo> lcafiero: that's not what I meant toimply, I don't know what their dates are 20:31 < lcafiero> How about making the meeting next week the time and date? 20:31 < herlo> +1 20:32 < fugolini> sounds good for me 20:32 < JonRob> do people realise next thursday is christmas day? 20:32 < themayor> yeah doesnt have to be next thursday necessarily 20:32 * herlo doesn't have anythign scheduled 20:32 < fugolini> mh ... ops ... I haven't a calendar in front of me ... 20:33 < lcafiero> And the next New Year's Eve 20:33 * lcafiero like herlo has nothing on my schedule, but understands others do. 20:33 < themayor> what about next tuesday? does that work? 20:33 < lcafiero> ambassadors meet at 9 p.m. eastern, but other than that, I'm okay. 20:34 < ianweller> tuesday is ok for me, what time? 20:34 < JonRob> i have nothing scheduled, but kinda like to keep it that way for christmas day :p 20:34 < herlo> day after works for me 20:34 < herlo> Dec 26 20:35 < lcafiero> +1 to herlo's suggestion 20:35 * fugolini will be afk for those 2 days and for ny eve 20:35 < themayor> herlo: is the 23rd not good for you? 20:35 < fugolini> ok 20:35 < herlo> I'm fine with that too, but I'll be working 20:35 < herlo> so I'll only be available in the evening 20:35 < herlo> but I'm only one person 20:36 < herlo> so don't build it around me, I'm pretty available 20:36 < fugolini> herlo: I think we have to find the best time, and I'm sure you have to be here, what's your preferred time? 20:36 < herlo> lol, okay, like I said, I'm open. 20:37 < herlo> evenings before Dec 24 20:37 < ianweller> mo! :) 20:37 < themayor> okay so if the majority of people can decide on a time, we can always add stuff to the wiki and have the others who cant make it work from there, right? 20:38 < fugolini> yes 20:38 < themayor> okay so what the word on the date? tuesday? 20:38 < ianweller> what time? 20:38 < themayor> whatevers good for everyone else? 20:39 < herlo> the 23rd is the FAmNA meeting, so with exception of the 9pm EST hour, that's a great day... 20:39 < themayor> afternoon or evening right? 20:39 < herlo> yup 20:39 < themayor> is 7pm eastern good for that? 20:39 < fugolini> UTC? 20:39 < herlo> for me, yes 20:40 < themayor> it should be 0.00 utc, i think, let me check 20:40 < ianweller> worksforme 20:40 < lcafiero> 7 eastern is good, as long as it's done by 9 eastern 20:41 < themayor> yeah 2 hours should be more than enough to make sufficient progress and put it up on the wiki 20:41 < fugolini> themayor: i'll try to be there so 20:41 * fugolini has to leave in 30 minutes or so 20:42 < themayor> yeah me too, we will try to finish in 20 20:42 < themayor> alright lcafiero can we count on you to coordinate the effort for next week? 20:42 < herlo> http://iquaid.org/2008/12/18/docs-virtual-hackfest-over-the-holidays/ <-- reference for docs hackfest 20:43 < lcafiero> Sure. 20:44 < themayor> okay awesome, so just send a message to the list and to everyone personally to remind them, and someone take care of gobby or use the wiki and irc 20:45 < themayor> okay great the next few minutes, i just want to talk about the 3 things that came up this week 20:45 < themayor> the new initiatives 20:45 < themayor> so we have 3 things 20:45 < themayor> fedora book, fedora video, fedora magazine 20:45 < ianweller> yay, my topic 20:45 < themayor> yes, youre topic!! 20:46 < ianweller> you want me to talk about it? 20:46 < themayor> okay so the coffee table book 20:46 < themayor> yes go ahead 20:46 < ianweller> oh ok. 20:46 < ianweller> so we had plenty of great discussion so far on teh coffee table book, and most of it has been helpful 20:47 < ianweller> the most recent comments we got i just replied to, basically with a message saying "you seem to know what you're talking about, please add it to the wiki page" 20:47 < ianweller> (which is at [[Picture book]] on the wiki, btw) 20:47 < ianweller> i'm gonna be working on a mockup for the pages soonish because i need something to do over winter break 20:48 < ianweller> but other than that, lots of great comments on what we're doing, and plenty of volunteer help at fudcon boston :) 20:48 < themayor> ianweller: awesome! 20:48 < ianweller> any other questions/comments? 20:48 < themayor> i think the main thing we need to figure out it cost per page 20:48 < themayor> based on that, thats really it, we have our page limit 20:48 < themayor> and then we figure out the theme 20:49 < ianweller> page size would be good to know, too 20:49 < herlo> I want to bring up that we should work toward a common theme for each of these marketing items 20:49 < ianweller> 6"x9" seems somewhat standard 20:49 < themayor> well, yeah thats based on price 20:49 < ianweller> herlo: you mean the four foundations? 20:49 < herlo> and address how we do that 20:49 < themayor> the bigger the book the more expensive 20:49 < herlo> ianweller: not necessarily 20:49 < ianweller> i think this book would be a great way to finally help unleash the four foundatinos upon the world 20:49 < herlo> ianweller: I mean that the book, video and magazine should have a common look and feel/theme something like that 20:49 < JonRob> i haven't followed this convo, but a brief comment: 20:50 < ianweller> cuz the websites haven't changed, and there's barely any information about them on the wiki. but that's not really related 20:50 < JonRob> let's make sure all the sources are open! 20:50 < ianweller> herlo: oic 20:50 < ianweller> JonRob: most definitely! 20:50 < ianweller> :) 20:50 < ianweller> JonRob: that will be ensured throughout, everything will either be CC-BY or CC-BY-SA (i think the latter) 20:50 < ianweller> no NC licenses 20:50 < JonRob> good :) 20:50 < JonRob> (lol, not that i expected anything else) 20:51 < ianweller> well, right ;) 20:51 < mizmo> you know if you guys go b&w with a few color plates it could be a lot cheaper 20:51 < themayor> yes, we will need to it explicit that any contribution on art work to this book is under a CC-by-SA license or something along those lines 20:51 < ianweller> mizmo: yeah 20:51 < mizmo> b&w photography is very coffee table ish :) 20:51 < ianweller> also it can be made somewhat easier to work with, i think 20:51 < ianweller> you don't have to get colors *just* right, especially in a transfer to cmyk 20:52 < JonRob> another question: is there a genuine audience here? 20:52 < ianweller> group photos or the like could be in color 20:52 < JonRob> i mean, other than FUDCon attendees? 20:52 < themayor> JonRob: theres definitely an audience 20:52 < ianweller> JonRob: this is one of those concepts where i think the main audience is other fedora contributors, or major fedora fans. 20:52 < ianweller> or, heck, any fedora fans 20:53 < ianweller> mizmo: hey, can we ship a sheet of stickers with every book order? ;) 20:53 < themayor> im sure it will be a hit inside of red hat 20:53 < herlo> JonRob: so I think this goes along with a bunch of other initiatives, for instance I once thought it would be cool to provide the Fedora Fan a complete set of all media from Fedora Core 1 to Fedora 10 for a small profit 20:53 < mizmo> ianweller, lol prolly 20:53 < herlo> still think it's cool actually, but haven't ever got it off the ground 20:53 < ianweller> oh speaking of stickers, do we want to use the i am fedora sticker as the one object that is required to be in an image 20:53 < ianweller> or what do we want to do 20:53 < themayor> haha, lets not jump to distribution before we get production off and runninfg 20:53 < ianweller> there's been more debate over that than anything else so far i think 20:53 < ianweller> themayor: ;) 20:54 < ianweller> inode0: you had some worries about using the i am fedora sticker, what were those again? 20:54 < themayor> personally i dont think we should need s fedora sticker in the pictures 20:54 < themayor> for example 20:54 < themayor> i would like to include a picture of me with my license plate which is "TRTHPNS" 20:54 < JonRob> themayor: ha i love it! 20:54 < ianweller> ooh, nice license plate. took me a while though :) 20:54 < themayor> because thats why fedora is my home 20:55 < ianweller> the concept is to have somehting that ties together the whole book 20:55 < themayor> for some reason certain girls think that is very dirty 20:55 < ianweller> but the more i think about that, the more i don't think we need a specific object. 20:55 < themayor> ianweller: the people are what ties the book together 20:55 < themayor> the faces of fedora 20:55 < themayor> and you can opt to have anything else you wish to show in the picture as well 20:55 < JonRob> anyone think this might be a cool thing to pull upstreams/other free software projects into as well 20:56 < herlo> ianweller: or ties together the entire media components we're discussing 20:56 < JonRob> heh sorry that comment totally defeats the object of marketing fedora 20:56 < herlo> because it's bigger than just the book IMO 20:56 < themayor> JonRob: yes, but out of the scope of this specific book for now. but yes it would be cool to have a "the face of linux book" 20:56 < ianweller> herlo: well, yeah. 20:57 < herlo> and it's not just the people, it's what they do for Fedora. There should be a reason for putting these people in the book. It is, afterall, a meritocracy 20:57 < ianweller> yes 20:57 < JonRob> oo and are people including brief stories? espesh some of the olpc stuff would be great 20:57 < ianweller> yes, we'll be having brief stories 20:57 < JonRob> cool.... 20:57 * fugolini will be afk for few minutes, I have to repair a pc to a neighbor 20:57 < herlo> right, that's where we should be going with marketing in general. Getting these things out in front of people 20:57 * JonRob apologises for not following this conversation properly 20:58 < ianweller> JonRob: that's ok :) good to ask questions 20:58 < themayor> yes, i was thinking to have a layout like this, let me know what you think: 20:58 < themayor> left side a picture of someone 20:58 < themayor> right side, a brief paragraph that they contribute 20:58 < themayor> or a quote maybe 20:58 < ianweller> (small detail: have page numbers inside fedora bubbles) 20:58 < themayor> yes!!!! 20:59 < ianweller> themayor: i'm thinking have the picture closer to the outside, then closer to the binding, have a quote in larger print, and then a description of the person in smaller print under that 20:59 < JonRob> is this possibly a convo for the mailing list? 21:00 < ianweller> JonRob: i was just about to say that. 21:00 < themayor> yes, it is 21:00 < ianweller> any other imoprtant questions before we move on to the other fedora * stuff 21:00 < themayor> we need to figure out the next step, whether it be cost, etc 21:00 < herlo> themayor: is this one page per contributor? 21:00 < themayor> so lets talk on the list 21:00 < herlo> or two pages? 21:00 < ianweller> herlo: one page per contributor, plus group photos on other pages (in color, i think) 21:00 < herlo> not that it matters, just curious and it can wait to be discussed off line 21:00 < herlo> ahh, indeed 21:01 < themayor> but lets set a deadline of one month to figure out how we go about going to step 2 21:01 < themayor> sound good? 21:01 < themayor> i think cost will be the major factor which determines, layout and that will determine content 21:01 < ianweller> step 2 is at fudcon. let's set a deadline as next week :) 21:02 < ianweller> right now we need to worry most about how we're going to get pictures, quotes, and stories 21:02 < ianweller> layout can come after fudcon 21:02 < herlo> I honestly think that all of this can go for the magazine too 21:02 < herlo> maybe the layout is different, but otherwise, the costs are going to need to be researched 21:02 < themayor> yeah, but the magazine is a different layout 21:03 < herlo> as i stated :) 21:03 < themayor> i meant format 21:03 < themayor> sorry 21:03 < themayor> im dead tired 21:03 < herlo> nw 21:03 < themayor> lol 21:03 < themayor> anyway 21:03 < JonRob> heh, i think the magazine has morphed 21:03 < themayor> okay do we want to keep going or do people need to scatter 21:03 < herlo> I'm here 21:03 < themayor> JonRob: spevack has some good thoughts on the magazine 21:03 < themayor> okay 21:03 < JonRob> ok...look forward to discussions on that 21:04 < themayor> so lets set a deadline for next week, althought, i dont know how far we will get, alot of the world is on vacation starting tomorrow 21:04 < themayor> and we can do what we need to do at fudcon regardless 21:04 < themayor> but anyway, okay, next week 21:04 < themayor> magazine 21:04 < themayor> spevack: do you want to talk about it a little? 21:05 < spevack> me? 21:05 < spevack> i do? 21:05 < spevack> i have thoughts? 21:05 < themayor> yes what we spoke about 21:06 < themayor> i liked them, and we can work from there 21:06 < spevack> yeah... i'm trying to remember what I said. I think that one of my suggestions was that when I hear "magazine" 21:06 < spevack> as opposed to "news" 21:06 < spevack> i think of longer-form articles, more personal than informative, maybe a slower release cycle, and (jack i think you suggested this one) actually printing something and distributing it at fudcon 21:06 < ianweller> introduce me a little to this magazine concept please :) 21:07 < ianweller> oh ok 21:07 < JonRob> so we're moving away from the idea of a rhm style blog? 21:07 < spevack> ianweller: you're too young -- back before the intarwebs, they used to write articles on paper and print them in glossy form that came out once a week. 21:07 < ianweller> spevack: :P 21:07 < spevack> JonRob: i dunno. i just have ideas. i don't mandate anything :) 21:07 < ianweller> spevack: i'm not *that* young. 21:07 < JonRob> spevack: lol, just wondered if there was a concensus developing 21:08 < ianweller> spevack: it can defeinitely be typeset and made into pdf btw, you print it out for events and stuff though 21:08 < ianweller> although i'm sure you know that already 21:08 < themayor> i think maybe having something online that we can transpose to print once every release would be the super bomb 21:08 < spevack> themayor: right 21:08 < JonRob> themayor: yeah that's awesome 21:08 < JonRob> we could even produce more regularly online 21:08 < spevack> JonRob: i'd see it as an online medium first, but that occasionally making something printed would be kinda pimp 21:08 < JonRob> and then tidy up and produce the best stuff for print 21:08 < spevack> JonRob: exactly 21:08 < JonRob> yeah that's v. cool 21:08 < spevack> JonRob: think of the "fedora centerfold" possibilities. 21:09 < JonRob> also, would be great to have something that sumarises "the last 6 months in fedora" 21:09 < herlo> once a quarter would be ideal IMO 21:09 < JonRob> spevack: already got my bikini ready 21:09 * herlo pukes a little in his mouth 21:09 < JonRob> heh 21:09 < herlo> :-P 21:09 < themayor> JonRob: thats a great visual for me to have before i am about to go to sleep 21:09 < themayor> ;) 21:09 < spevack> themayor: did i have any other good ideas that i've forgotten? 21:09 < spevack> :) 21:10 * gregdek will be sure to wax. 21:10 < JonRob> ha gregdek just crossed a line?! 21:10 < themayor> im sure many but ive since forgotten them too 21:10 < JonRob> my q, how do we move this forward? 21:10 < JonRob> two major things: 21:10 < JonRob> a)infrastructure 21:10 < JonRob> b)contributors 21:11 < JonRob> both kinda failed in all my attempts to push this forward until now 21:11 < JonRob> kinda==completely 21:11 < themayor> what do you guys thing about using django? 21:11 * herlo loves it 21:11 < herlo> but everything I've seen in Fedora is TG 21:12 < JonRob> themayor: keep in mind that we'd have to work closely with the current infra standards 21:12 < JonRob> i.e. security, maintainability 21:12 < JonRob> deployability in fedora repos 21:12 < JonRob> not sure if we'd want to write our own solution? 21:12 < themayor> yes we would need to coordinate with docs as well maybe, since they are experts in formatting the stuff that will aid us in printing it afterwards 21:13 < JonRob> also, gregdek had some talk a while ago about collaborating with rhm? 21:13 < themayor> yes, gregdek have you any thoughts to add? 21:14 < gregdek> RHM feels like a dead man walking to me. 21:14 < themayor> hes busy waxing 21:14 < JonRob> gregdek: oh no, that's sad? 21:14 < gregdek> Just so few resources right now for it. 21:15 < themayor> gregdek: ah okay you answered my questions 21:15 < themayor> so maybe this is at a good place in time, where a community effort can take over something like that 21:15 < gregdek> Yep. 21:15 < JonRob> yeah, seems like this kind of thing is pretty heft effort 21:15 < JonRob> themayor: yeah would be v. cool 21:15 * quaid personally would open devfu.redhatmagazine.com to anyone who wants to help :) 21:15 < themayor> na what does rhm run on now wordpress? 21:15 < quaid> yes 21:16 < quaid> wordpress.com for Dev Fu, actually 21:16 < JonRob> we got close to having a wp deployment on fedora systems 21:16 < quaid> so adding people from the world is easy 21:17 < themayor> maybe thats the extent of what we need really with sojme CSS loving 21:17 < JonRob> themayor, we already have a theme that fits in with fedora 21:17 < JonRob> we got quite a way along with this 21:17 < JonRob> but have never managed to finish it :( 21:17 < themayor> okay so lets finish this time 21:18 < themayor> we have a large pool of people to draw contributors from, i dont think we need to worry 21:18 * JonRob hates to note way too many of his projects die a slow death! 21:18 < themayor> if we build it, they will come 21:18 < JonRob> themayor: i hope you're right 21:18 < themayor> we just need to stay on top of these things and with a little hard work and a lot of good luck we will do well, i dont have a doubt 21:18 < JonRob> in the test one, even when i explicitly solicited for help we got very little 21:18 < themayor> we can do these things easily, it just requires persistence 21:19 < JonRob> http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/ 21:19 < JonRob> for reference 21:20 < JonRob> that was an attempt at figuring out writing/publishing workflow 21:20 < themayor> nice 21:20 < themayor> ive been there before like 2-3 times 21:20 < JonRob> yeah, some of the content got a lot of views 21:20 < JonRob> well, the interview and fwn 21:20 < JonRob> both are extremely popular within the community and outside 21:20 < themayor> i think the next step is to decide infrastructure 21:21 < themayor> and guys dont kill me if im not trying to think of big picture things, theres a reason 21:22 < themayor> i just think if we pick small steps and are persistent and make sure they get done we will make progress and fuel more progress 21:22 < JonRob> themayor: i think it's a pretty good way to move 21:22 < themayor> so lets see what mmcgrath has to say about this and take it from there, i can wrangle contributors 21:22 < JonRob> lol, mmcgrath might be sick of hearing about it 21:22 < JonRob> i've been bugging him and a few infra people about it for many months 21:23 < themayor> haha, yeah, well, thats what you get when you run the servers 21:23 * ianweller has to run 21:23 < JonRob> have we lost people? 21:23 * JonRob could do with leaving soon 21:23 < themayor> alright, so lets table the rest of the disucssion, so we have 3 things for next week 21:23 < themayor> 1. the meeting/gobby session 21:24 < themayor> 2. figuring out about the magazine 21:24 * quaid notes 'to table' has opposite meanings across the Atlantic 21:24 < themayor> 3. try to figure out next steps for the magazine 21:25 < themayor> sound good to everyone? 21:25 < JonRob> lol magazine twice? 21:26 < themayor> i mean book 21:26 < themayor> sorry 21:26 < JonRob> heh in that case sounds good 21:27 < JonRob> was nice to speak with everyone :) 21:27 < baig> ! 21:27 < herlo> k, I have all that 21:28 < themayor> alright thats a wrap 21:28 < themayor> thanks guys 21:28 < herlo> g'day 21:28 < themayor> awesome -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list