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Today's Topics:
1. Feedback on "The ups and downs of Fedora 10" (Rahul Sundaram)
2. First Look: Fedora 10 OS (Rahul Sundaram)
3. FEL needs your help (Chitlesh GOORAH)
4. Re: FEL needs your help (Francesco Ugolini)
5. Re: Cool install Icons? (John Mackay)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 04:25:58 +0530
From: Rahul Sundaram <sundaram@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Feedback on "The ups and downs of Fedora 10"
To: dsbonnell@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base
<fedora-marketing-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Hi Northbear,
I came across your short review of Fedora 10 at
http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=498
Thank for your review. I would like to add some comments to provide
more
information and correct a few inaccuracies in your article.
You claim that the installation is almost exactly same as Fedora 8.
Apart from resizing support you have noted, it seems that you have
missed out a number of other changes. These are covered in
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/sn-Installer.html#sn-Changes-in-Anaconda
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Installation_and_Live_Images.html#sn-Changes_in_Anaconda
"Well, Fedora/RedHat has always been very picky about letting in
software that might be "tainted", so there's no way that the resize
code
will work on NTFS filesystems."
This is incorrect. As noted, in your review, your are commenting about
something without even trying it. Fedora has included comprehensive
NTFS
support for quite a few releases now and has also supported resizing
Windows partitions from Fedora 9 onwards.
"Whoa! The new "Plymouth" loader is fast! You won't get much in the
way
of fancy graphics during bootup unless you have a video chipset that
is
supported with "kernel mode" (currently only some Intel chipsets)."
This is only partially correct. Plymouth relies on kernel mode setting
support but that is available only for ATI cards and not for Intel
ones.
Intel was supported in between but there is a rewrite going on in
upstream and is still disabled in the general release. You can however
get fancy graphics by using vga=0x318 or vga=ask and choosing a
appropriate mode which would make Plymouth use framebuffer instead of
KMS to display a very cool bootup screen.
There is a rewrite of GDM and currently.
http://live.gnome.org/GDM/NewDesign
it just inherits the system settings and does not have separate
theming
support. The roadmap for changes is at
http://live.gnome.org/GDM/
For the Xorg autoconfiguration, we don't need to fallback into manual
settings again but instead add the specific hardware information to a
database and use that for automatically doing the right thing even if
the hardware is old or using analog connections as yours does. Please
file a bug report in http://bugzilla.redhat.com with the output of
/var/log/Xorg.log. We can fix this and send the fix upstream for the
benefit for all distributions as well.
KDE 4: Again, would be quite useful to get bug report to keep track of
the issues and address them
PackageKit: The PackageKit daemon is not a regular service and hence
it
is not managed by the service administration gui. It is a system
activated daemon and automatically starts on demand and stops as
soon as
the task is done.
It would be great if you could update your review to include all these
information and provide us with some bug reports on the warts you have
noted. Once again, thank you for your review. We appreciate your
input.
Rahul
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 04:37:35 +0530
From: Rahul Sundaram <sundaram@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: First Look: Fedora 10 OS
To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base
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Hi,
http://rcpmag.com/news/article.aspx?editorialsid=10433
"Fedora 10 is one of the most visually attractive distros that I've
used
in a while. It features GNOME 2.24 with a new blue and silver "Solar"
theme. It offers a wide variety of themes and wallpapers, a nice touch
for Linux-based distros. All fonts on the Fedora 10 user interface are
readable and properly anti-aliased."
Rahul
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:06:58 +0100
From: "Chitlesh GOORAH" <chitlesh.goorah@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: FEL needs your help
To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user
base" <fedora-marketing-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: fedora-electronic-lab-list@xxxxxxxxxx
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Hello Fedora Marketing,
As you are all already familiar with FEL, I'll skip the introduction.
For F-10 FEL development, Aanjhaan and Thibault joined me to maintain
FEL, but now they are both very busy. I have many plans and many
features for F-11 FEL, but alone (with very little time) I would have
to reduce my participation as an ambassador, mentor, package reviewer
and support for other opensource communities.
I am going to meet (on my own expenses) :
* some automotive engineers next weekend to see how Fedora can propose
a portfolio "electronic design" for the automotive industry. (e.g.
doing measurements: roll, pitch, yaw ...)
* some XMOS designers to see how existing opensource tools can embrace
XMOS support (sometimes in January).
As you can see, I'm looking forward to elevate Fedora status for
professional production purposes. If I succeed, I assume that there
will many companies, educational institutions and end-users who will
be deploying more than 5 Fedora installations at ONE time. This is my
fedora marketing strategy. If I have time EPEL repository can also
benefit from this, thereby CentOS/RHEL users will also be happy.
I would appreciate if ambassadors could contact their local
universities (Electronic department, to be precised), and inform them
about Fedora's investment in the electronic design community.
http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/10/fel-flyer-f10.pdf
You will find FEL todo list here (which will be updated with time):
http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/devel/FEL_devel_timeline.html
So if you think someone could help with Fedora electronic portfolio,
please do introduce him/her to FEL's mailing list.
I have also another objective: to bring various upstream closer and
try to encourage them not to re-invent the wheel but focus on
providing industry-class solutions for the opensource community. Of
course, fedora will benefit from it first.
If time allows, I'll also engage myself (as I promised to Tom
Callaway) with some upstream developers to open their software into a
GPL-compatible license. So if you know someone with legal skills,
please welcome him/her to join the Fedora family.
If you know a local blogger about electronics, please propose them to
write a blog post about "Fedora and its electronic portfolio".
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
thank you.
Kind regards,
Chitlesh
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:14:05 +0100
From: "Francesco Ugolini" <fugolini@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: FEL needs your help
To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user
base" <fedora-marketing-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
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2008/12/6 Chitlesh GOORAH <chitlesh.goorah@xxxxxxxxx>:
I would appreciate if ambassadors could contact their local
universities (Electronic department, to be precised), and inform them
about Fedora's investment in the electronic design community.
http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/10/fel-flyer-f10.pdf
Sure, I will send, late this evening or tomorrow, an email in
Ambassadors List encouraging this.
Thank you for FEL
Regards
Francesco Ugolini
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:21:41 -0600
From: "John Mackay" <mackay3@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Cool install Icons?
To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user
base" <fedora-marketing-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
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lol, anyone has screenshots? I have found this at google, but dunno
if it's
the real thing.
http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:6t_JA9W3smlFAM:http://www.8bitjoystick.com/archives/photos/Redhat_Linux_Install_Kitchen.jpg
2008/12/5 Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) <lucas@xxxxxxxxxx>
I do think we should invest more time on eye-candy stuff for the
installations process, altough some people think that pretty things
dont do
good stuff..
but who know, maybe we can make a diference, dont we ?
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Rudolf Kastl <che666@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
2008/12/5 Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
Scott Baker wrote:
Would it be possible to resurrect something silly like that
during the
install? The current install images aren't nearly as exciting.
Honestly
I
couldn't even tell you what they say! But I *do* remember those
hotdog
install screens from all the way back in RH8/9 from six years ago.
That's
good marketing!
This was talked a few times in the past: we still have the hooks in
Anaconda, Art would be interested to try something, Marketing may
be
interested in using this promo venue... we didn't had someone to
take
leadership on it.
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Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
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the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished.
(sure a subjective taste question)
kind regards,
Rudolf Kastl
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