< mether> ok < mether> so we can start the meeting now < jmbuser_> JohnBabich < mether> RahulSundaram < Strikeforce> Up to you guys just thought I was late or something :) < mether> no we have been starting slowly so that people can join in < Strikeforce> no worries < mether> who else is around? -->|fcrippa (n=fcrippa@xxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined #fedora-mktg < mether> i was hoping mizmo would be < mether> but she seems to be not available in irc yet < mether> here is the list of things I think we should be doing for the Fedora 8 release < mether> Artwork - Labels, banners, promos that we can run on the website etc < mether> Identify which features to highlight - We have a good number of them and we should figure out any two or three features that are important < mether> and promote them specifically < Strikeforce> When you say artwork you mean in F8 or on the website? same for Labels, Banners, promos. < mether> in the website < mether> not within the distribution < mether> that work is already done < mether> the organized focus on interviewing developers going through all the Fedora 8 features isn't over yet but it is clearly very successful < mether> pretty much of them have been referred to from many websites including digg, lwn.net, osnews.com. lxer etc < mether> except the first one where we didnt highlight digg properly all of them got several hundreds digg's and hit the front page * couftunes in < mether> the website needs some clean up < mether> especially on the download page < mether> and Mo has been working on designing the spins section < mether> we will have http://spins.fedoraproject.org shortly < mether> which will explain what a spin is, list out all the different spins of Fedora, identify how to do your own custom spins etc < mether> check out http://mihmo.livejournal.com/47056.html for that < mether> http://mihmo.livejournal.com/47315.html < couf> download page is being redsigned as well, see http://ivazquez.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora-web/get-fedora.html for an example idea < mether> i think we should look closely < mether> at what OpenSUSE and Ubuntu is doing in this space < mether> I find a list of links to be overwhelming compared to what they have done < Strikeforce> Ubuntu has the basic Gnome/KDE and XFCE and then a server version < Strikeforce> x86 and x86_64 < Strikeforce> so they would have 8 downloads < Strikeforce> maybe if it started with gnome -> x86 or x86_64 then the links < mether> we have a choice of spins, dvd or cd. arch, installation methods < mether> I think http://software.opensuse.org/ is pretty neat < Strikeforce> I would have to agree < mether> One thing that we one additional choice that we need to figure how we can present well < mether> is the differentiation between < mether> official and custom spins < Strikeforce> Should we link them to the front page? < mether> I think what we need to do < Strikeforce> Would it not be better to say see what the community is doing -> and point them that way < mether> is list only the official spins in the front page < mether> and link to http://spins.fedoraproject.org < mether> for more < mether> front page as in the download page -->|MrTom (n=mrtom@fedora/MrTom) has joined #fedora-mktg < couf> mether: +1 < mether> if we do it well < mether> we don't have to worry about pushing in whatever spins that come up < MrTom> 'Hi, sorry for being VERY late) < mether> I am working on a games, xfce and minimalistic spin < mether> so I have more than a passive interest in this < mether> MrTom: hi < mether> welcome < couf> so we have the official spins on download + a "interested in a Fedora remix -> check spins.fp.o" link < mether> MrTom: http://pastebin.ca/735157 for you to catch up to previous conversations < MrTom> thanks mether < Strikeforce> mether: +1 < mether> couf: right. that's what I think we should do anyway < mether> I have submitted a request to infrastructure team < mether> to setup a news site at news.fedoraproject.org < mether> it might only be launched after Fedora 8 but it will be a important medium for highlighting the work that goes on into Fedora and getting some feedback early in the development process < Strikeforce> +1 again < Strikeforce> Was going to bring that up :) < mether> I am an editor for Fedora Weekly News and Fedora Release Notes and a beat writer for the Ask Fedora and Overview beats respectively < mether> all those are part of our broad marketing efforts too < mether> Infrastructure request is detailed at https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/178 < mether> if you think I have missed out any details in there, drop comments in that request or let me know < mether> everyone who has a Fedora Account can just post comments right away < couf> mether: you see news.fp.o as a replacement for what was going on at fedoranews.org? < mether> The overview section is at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView < mether> yes < mether> fedoranews.org would ideally redirect to news.fp.o < mether> the weekly news is already integrated with the Fedora website < couf> right, then we should get tchung on that ticket < mether> I have posted to fedora weekly news < mether> and discussed this extensively < mether> with tchung both on and offlist < couf> ah okay, cool < mether> so he is already well aware < mether> fedora news list for more details < Strikeforce> Should f.o offer howto's specific to fedora? < mether> not sure what you mean by that? < Strikeforce> Well there seem to be a lot of questions on equivalents and what to install what not to install. Generally there are websites that guide people yet we seem to lack some of that documentation. < Strikeforce> equivalents = xmms / winamp type of thing < mether> The only reason we lack any published documents that we need to have < mether> is lack of contributors getting involved < mether> other than that, we only cover what we directly include < Strikeforce> I know with the wiki I created based on ubuntuguide is getting a heap of hits for some really basic information < mether> there isn't any reason we couldn't have more information on the wiki < mether> published documentation at docs.fp.o has the advantage < mether> that it well translated < mether> and more organized < mether> but wiki can be used to coordinate that effort and generally used as a sandbox < mether> some short howto's can remain in the wiki itself < mether> one example would be http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting < mether> if you prefer the wiki, just write down the content there and anyone interested in organizing it more and publishing it can pick it up from there < couf> right, we might want to add a howto-section to docs.fp.o < Strikeforce> I didn't know about docs.fp.o can we link that to the front page. Is there also a way to get feedback to fedora-docs on what users are struggling with? < mether> its already there in the front page < mether> for a few months now < mether> ever since we launched the new static website < Strikeforce> ahh mine goes straight to the wiki thats why. My bad. < mether> posting to fedora-docs list or better yet offering to help would be nice |<--nihed1 has left freenode (Connection timed out) < mether> Fedora Documentation team is already aware that we are missing documentation but that won't magically appear without people spending time on it < JonRob> yeah docs need all the volunteers they can get! < Strikeforce> I write little howto's so might do that since I'd be adding them to my site as well as fedora. < JonRob> (hey all) < mether> JonRob: hi < Strikeforce> JonRob: hi < mether> I am not much of a marketing expert so I have been noting down details on what Red Hat did with the RHEL 5 launch and learning from that < couf> Strikeforce: drop a note to fedora-docs and/or join in the meeting tomorrow -->|nihed1 (n=ikanawa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined #fedora-mktg < Strikeforce> That website that you emailed to marketing was an interesting read. I think it'll help in providing focus. < mether> which website? < Strikeforce> Is there a way that we can get people's ideas to the fedoraproject < mether> depending on what this is < mether> different sub project mailing lists or bugzilla would be avenues < mether> for specific things we need feedback on < mether> we have been running surveys before < mether> the results are available in the wiki < mether> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Surveys < Strikeforce> Could it be something we link with fedoraforum to get the people that don't participate in mailling lists < mether> as you can note < mether> its been a while < mether> so we might run it once more shortly after < mether> Fedora 8 launch < mether> I think we should do that < mether> the forum, irc etc is linked from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate < Strikeforce> I would like a list of areas where people struggle "website, marketing, docs" a range of stuff that we can allocate priority to. < mether> which again is linked from the front page < mether> like i said we could run a generic survey < Strikeforce> Try to understand where our 'customers' find frustration < mether> do you have other ideas? < Strikeforce> One question < Strikeforce> Is it illegal in the USA to change an mp3 -> ogg? < Strikeforce> Since you can buy mp3's online from vendors < mether> it isn't illegal < mether> but you need a encoder and a decoder < mether> installed < mether> to do that < Strikeforce> Fedora don't offer that? < mether> and doing such kind of media decoding < mether> from one lozzy format to another < mether> is going to result in loss of quality < mether> we can't offer either by default, no < Strikeforce> Trying to come up with ideas on how to combat the mp3 issue < mether> are you aware of codec buddy? < Strikeforce> Yeah < mether> i think it solves that problem -->|llaumgui_ (n=llaumgui@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined #fedora-mktg |<--llaumgui has left freenode (Remote closed the connection) < Strikeforce> Yeah it does definitely < mether> and we are working with Red Hat Legal to potentially link to rpmfusion < mether> as a alternative to Fluendo codecs < mether> for users from regions that don't enforce software patents < mether> anything else that we need to look at specifically for Fedora 8? < Strikeforce> Are we able to get numbers of installations to see if we are marketing well enough and graph it? < mether> yes that is ongoing work at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics < mether> and we are discussing with other distributions to adopt smolt < mether> if they do that, it would be even more helpful < mether> towards understanding users < mether> and helping solve some of the problems < mether> in addition to merely tracking some metrics < Strikeforce> I agree. < mether> OpenSUSE 10.3 already includes Smolt < mether> and they have been evaluating integration by default < mether> we are also discussing it with Mandriva and Ubuntu |<--fcrippa has left freenode (Remote closed the connection) < Strikeforce> That's good to hear. < mether> if you have contacts in other distributions < mether> talk to them < mether> there is a lot of development coordination that is possible too < mether> system-config-printer is included by default in the upcoming Ubuntu version for example < mether> JonRob: still there? < Strikeforce> That's good to hear. < jmbuser_> +1 < mether> we are going to be using hosted.fedoraproject.org for all the system-config* tools so that the source isnt just in the srpms < mether> thats the plan anyway < Strikeforce> Apologies to all I have to leave right now have a birthday party to attend. I've signed up with doc's at the moment will send an introduction letter later on. < mether> see ya < mether> if anyone else have other ideas that we need to discuss, let me know < JonRob> mether: yeah sorry < JonRob> but i do have to dash again shortly :S turns out not such a good time for me! < mether> JonRob: it's ok. I just wanted to know how the interviews are progressing < JonRob> Strikefoce: bye! < JonRob> mether: yeah not bad...i've got transifex to go up this coming week < JonRob> and i'm waiting for answers about pulse audio < JonRob> which i may try and chase up (politely) < JonRob> beyond that i need to get more questions sent out now < mether> ya, he has been busy < mether> what about the interview with chitlesh goorah < JonRob> yeah i appreciate that - really appreciate the time all the developers have given! think it's been worth it thoguh :D < JonRob> yeah transifex < JonRob> is ready to go this week < mether> electronics lab spin < couf> transifex = dimitris glezos? < mether> yes < mether> dimitris has submitted a talk proposal in a conference in India which is likely to get accepted btw < JonRob> oh lol yes sorry! < mether> in December < JonRob> i'm getting my head in a spin here today < JonRob> electronics lab is also ready to go :D < mether> great < JonRob> mether: cool about dimitris... < JonRob> other features i really want to cover: < JonRob> codec buddy < JonRob> firewall config < JonRob> oh man and my mind is blank again < JonRob> well they're two good targets for the next few < mether> right -->|DanseMakabre (i=pat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined #fedora-mktg < mether> i think we can keep going post release too < mether> but these two features < mether> can be published about before the release itself < mether> if possible < JonRob> yes definitely < JonRob> it might be cool to put together a summary article too < mether> yes < JonRob> covering all the features with quotes from the devs etc < mether> i think that should be a pdf file < JonRob> and then try and get that posted around in the same way as the interviews < mether> benefits/features < JonRob> but save that for close to the release < JonRob> yeah pdf would be good < mether> right < mether>I will start working on that < JonRob> ok cool < mether> what else is needed? < couf> release announcement? < mether> yeah, documentation team has been taking care of that so far < mether> and I am all for letting that continue < mether> if we can get more organized documentation < JonRob> yeah they do a good job with it < mether> for creating spins < mether> that would be good < mether> from the marketing perspective we really need that < JonRob> oh shoot - my apologies for that - i had volunteered to do that sometime ago < mether> for spins.fp.o < JonRob> but i've just run out of itme < couf> JonRob: no prob, we've all got busy lives < mether> if anyone wants to look into again, please do. < JonRob> what i got so far is on the docs project wiki space < JonRob> i think what would be most useful is a really simple break down though < mether> yep < JonRob> at least for the immediate future < mether> ok < mether> anything else or shall we wind up now? < JonRob> http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/documentation < JonRob> fedora unity have done a pretty good job themselves actually < JonRob> we should at least point to that somehwere < mether> one of the problems < mether> is that documentation on spins < mether> is very much scattered < mether> all over the place < mether> fedora unity docs can be copied < mether> directly < mether> the license is the same < mether> FYI < JonRob> ok cool - wel maybe if we add their documentation to the docs.fp.org < JonRob> ? < JonRob> with a bit of editing? < mether> we should < JonRob> maybe this is more a matter for docs team to discuss? < mether> that would be about an hour of work < mether> to clean it up < mether> merge it with the existing docs in the wiki < mether> and publish it < JonRob> shall i post to the docs list about this? < mether> I have added tons of references to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CustomSpins < mether> yes < couf> JonRob: can you make the docs-meeting tomorrow? (17UTC) < JonRob> let them know what we've said? < mether> go ahead < JonRob> couf: probably not :S < mether> post to the list < couf> JonRob: yeah okay, no worries < mether> needn't wait for the meeting < mether> --- meeting over --- -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
