First off, this is _not_ an anti-Ubuntu e-mail. I not only and regularly deal with supporting Ubuntu in corporate environments, but I run Xubuntu on older hardware myself. Secondly, a lot of commentary here has surrounded trying to reach contributors. There is a lot of complaints on everything from the agreements to workflow, and the fact that sometimes (although not as often anymore with APT/YUM being so commonplace) that contributors bark about the security hoops. Third, I have long commended how the Fedora Project (like Red Hat Linux before it) has always addressed "what must be done, no exceptions," even though many things lead to complaints. Some things just cannot budge, and no matter how you try to explain such things to people, some just aren't going to care. Fourth, as I have repeatedly stated, Conical will find itself in the same positions as Red Hat has more and more. Conical will address those situations much like Red Hat, and suffer the same, misguided but not so uncommon, "demonizations" as a result -- especially as it becomes less and less "new" to people. "Ubuntu Servers Hijacked, Used to Launch Attack" http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith@xxxxxxxx http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------- Fission Power: An Inconvenient Solution -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list