Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
How is that possible? I know there's easier things to do but this
isn't at all that difficult. In fact, it is properly documented as
well by the Fedora Unity project [1].
And again, properly documented by the Fedora Unity project [1]. All
the software you ever wanted, in- or outside the Fedora Universe,
including directions on things to keep track of while you go and
install it the first time.
Thank you Fedora Unity for the work you are doing. I've read the Fedora
Unity's guidelines. Remember I did use Fedora even before Unity existed
so this problematics is not new news. But I think it is time to address
them in public to get opinions. The Unity do describe the problematics
and how to live with it, but that do not solve things at a higher level.
The problems will still be there and we (the users) will need to work
around them.
In fact it is a 'problem' that should not exist at all. 3rd party
repositories should not need to exist for the distribution of
proprietary or patented (eg. non-free) software if only all software
was free. Fedora (or: Free Software) is exactly the solution to that
problem. Side-note: Of course 3rd party repositories can have a
different opinion on how stuff should be packaged or whether to allow
the most bleeding edge stuff, etc... They'd not become completely
obsolete in a free-software world.
This will sidetrack to much to go into but I agree.
Obviously, you're not the first to mention this. Apparently less
obvious is that these guys do cooperate, and put aside some of their
opinions and principles in order to do so. In addition, they put in
extreme amounts of effort, too. Maybe even less obvious is that
although there are reasons to not merge all 3rd party repositories
together, they still make the effort. I mean they did initiate their
own repositories for a reason, rather then joining some existent
effort, right? Despite the history of things though (you could have
known all this), they still make the effort of merging repositories.
Not for their sake, but for yours.
The problem is not that there is more then one add-on repository for
Fedora. The problem is not that some of those repositories or packages
within those repositories conflict with one another. The problem isn't
that there is non-free software either.
You calling this a mess however, that is what I call a serious
problem. How dare you say anyone is doing users and the community any
harm? I certainly hope you didn't really mean it that way. If
anything, Fedora is about improving user experience with the Linux
operating system, as long as it is Free and Open Source Software. If
anything, we move forward on improving that very branch, too. There's
lots of people putting in lots of effort working on that set of
principles, for their own sake as well as yours. And because it's cool
and challenging.
Yes I did call it a mess, when the result might be to reinstall your
machine. But I stand corrected and beg forgivness for saying the word
harm in an uncareful way if you feel hurt by it. I did mean it in both
ways. Looking at a very very large picture it actually makes confusion
become harm. Looking at a smaller picture it is all good. Remember to
get Linux on everyones desktop will require almost no confusion at all
(just look at the confusion all the many different distros make(which to
choose for the regular windows guy)). The persons behind the 3rd party
repositories are doing a tremendous work and are a big part of the
community, and I do thank them for the blood sweat and tears going into
it. Why this question has even been risen is because this is now way
past a small operation. There are millions of people using using these
3rd party software repositories and when there are, I also think that it
is fair to ask the questions I do ask, don't you?
//Jonas
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