On 2/9/07, Thomas Chung wrote: Hello Thomas and everyone,
There have been several discussions on merging Fedora-Ambassadors-List and Fedora-Marketing-List. Since there are two groups with two different opinions on which list should be eliminated and which list should be survived, I would like to propose a new Fedora Mailing List with a new name which everyone can agree. Based on comparing other distros mailing lists and ours and some comments made in the past, I would like to propose "Fedora-Advocates-List"
Well, I guess you already know my opinion about it. Perhaps I should be directly in communicating my opinion about this. And yes, we have already talked several times about it, but in the end we have come up with a "NO" for the merge. I don't see why we should keep on discussing this over again and again. If core and extras are merging, this doesn't mean that we should be doing this here in the marketing world of fedora. Core and Extras are merging because they are strong teams. In fact that merge will only be a success, because their contributors have signed CLA and understand that they have responsibilities towards the fedora project. Now in the marketing world of fedora, we have ambassadors and people from the outside. Both aren't strong teams at all. To me fedora ambassadors project sounds like dying. Why ? Lack of commitment! I'm not saying lack of commitment of only FAMSCo, but also fedora ambassadors. We have now (today) from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification 161 CLA signed ambassadors. This 161 tells us that we have some ambassadors : - who are committed to the project and participate - who are new and are quite lost due to lack of orientation - who participates actively in other fedora projects but can't afford to spend time to fedora ambassadors project - who are "fedora name takers" people who wants to get the fedora status only. - [...] And yes, you can also see some ambassadors on that list who haven't yet signed CLA. Lack of communication ??? And among this 161, I know about 50 of them. I just want to tell you here that we should rather stick in building a strong fedora ambassador team. - Helping new ambassadors by a mentoring project - Helping other ambassadors who are preparing a particular event/legal local fedora association - Preparing for the F7 release. - [...] Example: Recently we have seen, some fedora ambassadors having difficulties with their particular events. What the fedora ambassador project has promised them during the preparation, they didn't receive it in time! And this, we have already talked about it before the previous FAMSCo election and we all agreed to some point. But have things changed since we last talked about it ? No. Then, we must solve internal problems/work first. Example2: If ThomasChung doesn't chair the weekly meeting, there is no meeting. Last thursday some of us on IRC didn't know when was the meeting, even me. Well is he the only one who is a Fedora Ambassadors ??? If we are definitely going to merge these 2 lists, it will only - make the above statements harder to realise - bring chaos with the booth/event organisation with respect to trust. - [...(things I can't recall for now).....] Well for the """Since there are two groups with two different opinions on which list should be eliminated and which list should be survived,""": the 2 groups don't have different opinions, afterall we all converge to marketing fedora and spread the fedora word. Where the two groups differ is in the organisation of the ambassador project in REAL WORLD. If we merge the 2 mailing lists: ambassador ML + marketing ML = ONE ML then ambassador project + marketing project = marketing project since ambassador project is a subset of the marketing project. Ok, now let's ask do we need fedora ambassador project after all ? Fedora Ambassadors will lose their fedora ambassador status. This implies we(the fedora project) are losing something which is unique to fedora. This uniqueness has unknowingly solved many local fedora problems. Since, Fedora Ambassador Project what else it does, it: 1- makes every local marketing agent of fedora to meet other local marketing agents of that particular country. 2- makes all local marketing agents of a particular country talk/discuss with other local marketing agents of different countries. (IRC meetings at #fedora-mktg and fedora ambassador mailing list, Fedora Ambassadors Day) 3- makes all these local marketing agents solve problem together FOR the SOLE fedora interest.(Fedora Ambassadors Day, FUDCons) You see now that local marketing agents are what we call Fedora Ambassadors. With this Fedora Ambassador Infrastructure, we are NOT creating internal fights between Fedora Ambassadors of a particular country for an event for example. Example: Those fedora ambassadors who prepared some events before, may have noticed that in the Ubuntu Community (the what so called largest linux community), 2 or more local Ubuntu teams apply for that particular event. You can even see something during the early stages of the event preparation, the organizers send those local Ubuntu teams emails that to tell them that there is in fact more than one Ubuntu booth registered. And very often those local teams doesn't like each other. I have see some :) and I'm happy it isn't the case till now in the Fedora World. What can we concluded?: - lack of organization - contributors don't converge to the same objectives - [...] While in the Fedora World, we inform the fedora ambassador list for the event preparation. And generally work on that ML rather than local MLs. I hope you see the "Upstream benefit" that Fedora keeps on saying. We had great local fedora communities popping up from that _Fedora Ambassador Infrastructure_: French, German, Indian, Brazillian. We are seeing right now brilliant Belgium Fedora Ambassadors in action. Ok, enough blabla, if not you won't read all of them. :) All these should now be telling you that we shouldn't destroy the wheel when we are the first to create one. But rather put on our effort to ENHANCE the wheel. Fedora Ambassador Project brings QUALITY to the Fedora Marketing. Fedora Marketing Project brings new Fedora Ambassadors in. And yes, -1 for the merge. regards, Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
