chasd wrote:
From: Rahul Sundaram <sundaram@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Slap down a digital voice recorder next to the phone speaker and post an
OGG later.
See
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2006-November/msg00206.html
Is the IRC "transcript" available anywhere ?
Not that I am interested, but that is an advantage of a digital audio
file of conference call procedings, it can be referenced at any time,
sort of a historical record. IRC does open up the live conversation to
those that aren't on the conference call. Unless that IRC session is
saved and posted, it can't be referenced as time passes. An IRC log is
possibly more easily skimmed through than an audio file, but does not
contain the "body language" of inflection, etc.
In the usual place.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2006-11-20. A news item and
comments on the same at http://lwn.net/Articles/210377
[snipped a good amount of insights]
As well as the transparency of the organization is progressing ( work
still to be done, eh ? ), the transparency into certain engineering
decisions could improve. Similar to how XGL was dropped on the world,
sometimes I see an entry in the rawhide report on f-d-l and think "
How'd they decide that ? ".
The infrastructure and organizational changes currently being discussed
has the potential to solve this problem. Till then if you find yourself
wondering why a particular change was made just ask.
If you so choose, now you can follow the
decision process of organizational issues, because the Fedora
organization is now almost completely outside the RH fence line. The
decision process on engineering issues is not that transparent, and I
expect the merging of Core "into" Extras will help that.
I think so. Any work that continues to be done internally is going to
miss out some amount of details when published to the community. Forcing
ourselves to work in a external system guarantees that a minimum level
of transparency is always there and someone not near the Red Hat water
coolers know about these stuff.
An example could be the decision to stick with Firefox 1.5 in FC6. It
got mentioned in several reviews, particularly in comparison with
Ubuntu. If you followed f-d-l you would have read the Firefox
maintainer's understandable position. If reviewers would have seen this
quote:
Let me state it plainly for everyone: There is nothing
extremely compelling about Firefox 2.0. Firefox 3.0 on the other hand
will be very compelling for both features, linux support, and embedding
support. I am seriously considering pushing 3.0 into FC6 and even FC5,
and have been making noises for a while about that being the next
upgrade.
then I think the 1.5 vs. 2.0 issue would have not been a negative,
possibly with a positive spin. Bonus points for considering 2.0 not
"new" enough. It would have also added to the consistency of the
"upstream, upstream" mantra Fedora is/should be known for.
I wrote up a wiki page on this at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Firefox2
and linked to it from the common bugs page which was send to the
announce list. I find it hard to see how we could propogate these kind
of information further.
Another related issue is if I am new to Fedora and I want to know "
Where is Fedora heading ? " , how do I get that info ?
What list do I subscribe to ?
What URLs/sites should I monitor ? What blogs ?
That isn't particularly clear, until after you've sampled a bit of every
channel and discarded the ones you feel don't apply. The hardy soul that
does that is uncommon. Fedora Weekly News does bring together some of
the different channels in one place.
Apart from FWN, Fedora Advisory board and announce lists as well as
Fedora people at http://fedoraproject.org/people are good places to
follow discussions. Most of the major discussions happen in one of these .
I think some of the mismatch between reality and the perception of the
Fedora project is rooted in the channels used to expose the activities
of the Fedora project. If you subscribe to and follow a decent subset of
the mail lists, I think you come away with a good idea of where Fedora
is and where it is going. You can't cruise in, surf a few forums and
poke at the list archives and come away with the same impression.
It isn't a Fedora-specific problem. For my company, I also need to keep
on top of proprietary software vendors such as Adobe, Apple, and
Microsoft. You can't get a clear picture of those organizations in a
couple days of cruising their web sites either. I don't think I'll ever
get as good a picture of those organizations compared to Fedora, but if
I spend time reading blogs and mail lists from those companies, I get a
much clearer picture.
OK, this turned out much longer than it should have been, sorry.
We are working on consolidating mailing lists where it helps.
Rahul
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