On 6/23/05, Tom Adelstein <adelste@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I gave you a very succinct and clear example of a community that's > working and you ask for my credentials and scatter charts. Jerks. > Reactive, thoughtless jerks living in a pretense of knowledge. The name calling isn't constructive. I am extremely aware that there are lessons to be learned from ubuntu. The combination of foresight, charity and entrepreneurial skill that has come together in Mr. Shuttleworth is a rare set of traits. I'm sure there are lessons to be learned from a number of projects. So far I'm not sure you have given me any new information that i wasn't already thinking about. I'm sure everyone who considers themselves a contributor to the Fedora project wishes Ubuntu and other distribution endeavors much success. I can't speak for anyone else but I believe that that no one distribution idea is really going to 'win'.. its not even about 'winning'. Its about building a commons of ideas, an ecosystem of linux solutions, where all sorts of wacky ideas get tried and the good ones cross-pollinate into the wider ecosystem. Ubuntu's fresh start on how to approach community is one of those good ideas. No one is blind to it, we don't have to be beat over the head and be called jerks to see your points. You have valid points.. but man, there is very little community in how you present your views about how to build community. Its deeply ironic really. You are the best and worst example of what open community dialog can be. In one breath you wax eloquent about what a better community model could be.. and with the next you berate the rest of us in this conversation for not knowing anything. This is now how you build a better community. You do not inspire anyone to listen to your ideas or to give you authority in setting direction by browbeating or demeaning others for their ignorance. You are a broken spirit and I'm not sure you have the patience to mentor, to teach or to lead in a community setting. -jef
