Hi, On 07/11/2011 08:31 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 20:13:52 +0200, Hans de Goede<hdegoede@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Yes, I've been thinking about trying to revive the games SIG, try to build a group of interested people and do monthly irc meetings or something like that. It seems that many of the people who used to be involved in the games SIG have moved over to other roles within Fedora, so I think we need to attract some new contributors for the Games SIG. I think games are a good place to start for new packagers, and people tend to like games, so it should be possible to attract some fresh blood I hope.I agree we need more help. And there is plenty of work suitiable for new packagers to help out. I'd like to see the most experienced packagers get their time freed up to work on tasks that need their skill. I'd also like to see more enthusiasm on this list. It seems in the past there were more discussions than there have been recently.
Agreed, although I think we mainly need more people on this list, then the enthusiasm will come by itself.
The first thing to do would be to write some sort of the Games SIG is "hiring" email to fedora-devel. Does this sound like a good idea?I think we'd want to reach out farther the devel, but that seems like a good place to get a core group to get things going.
Agreed, I think sending such a mail to both the users and devel lists would be better. Do you feel up to drafting such a mail?
I would be willing to help new contributors with interest in the Games SIG with the first few reviews and by sponsoring them.That would be good. My sponsor may also help as in the past they have seemed to be very good about sponsoring new people packaging games. I am pretty sure comps could use some work as well. A couple of weeks ago I was looking at things that appeared to be games (based on desktop files and the group in the spec file) and some weren't listed in the games group in comps. There were some fuzzy issues that ended up requiring more time to finish this off than I had, so I didn't get all of the way to filing bug reports. But that is a task that someone could do without becoming a packager. Though for some of the borderline cases (game servers, language packs, etc.) it would help if the SIG provided guidance.
I have this dirty script, which checks all packages with a rpm group of Amusement/Games and sees if they are in comps. I've not used it for a while, so it may be broken. Also it has paths hardcoded to my system. Still I've attached it in case it is useful. In the past I used this to make sure all packages with a rpm group of Amusement/Games were either in comps, or on the blacklist inside the script.
I think the web pages for the sig which list games to use some tweaking as well. The lists aren't complete and are probably dated. Being able to generate the list of included games based on repo data might make more sense than a manually maintained one.
You mean: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Games I never did much work on that, I think the idea was to have a best of list for each category. But indeed it needs some updating / loving, or we could consider abandoning it.
The wish list could use some goign over as well. Some games on that list seemed to have stalled and may not be worth the effort to package and there are new games that should probably get added.
Ack.
Graphics driver support is also an issue that affects games. While the low level stuff probably isn't appropriate for the Games SIG, if there are ways we can help out the graphics driver guys, it would be good for us to do so.
This is a tricky one. I've done quite a bit of testing and even bisecting of regressions on my r3xx card, as time allows. ATM I've a sandybridge core i3 with integrated graphics and I'm reporting bugs where I can, but indeed the gfx driver situation can be a problem from time to time. I think that the most important thing we can do is testing + filing detailed bug reports. And if it is a regression you can try to bisect it. Regards, Hans
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