Linus Walleij scripst: > On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Matej Cepl wrote: So you're a developer that have > broad experience with both RPMs/yum and .deb/apt. > > At some point it would be interesting to get some of your thoughts on > how Debian and Fedora differs in thinking, technology and package > process sort of to widen our views a bit. Couple of notes, and I could happily answer any questions: 1) It seems to me that Debian (probably because of its size and totally decentralized character) is much more beraucraitc -- Fedora seems to be still place of "hacky hackers", which I prefer of course (but this is not meant as criticism of Debian, their size and decentralization have another advantages). 2) Of course, size -- it was said that Linux program which is not in Debian repositories probably is not interesting enough to be there. It is not 100% true, but it was hard for me to find programs which would be important and yet not part of Debian. It is much more simple to achieve that with Fedora (although I haven't met any one which I would need personally -- and I am working on packages for couple of these which I think would be useful). 3) Building of RPM packages rocks! I tend to be suspicous to file dependencies, but so far I haven't experienced any RPM-dependency-hell events yet (having mostly packaged software though), but multiple sources, one file spec, macros etc. makes building of packages really much more enjoyable thing. 4) On the other hand, rpm/yum as package managers sucks rocks, they really do! I really cannot believe that program which is not alpha version (how old rpm is?) requires its users to do things like rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*. Yes, I know that rpm is unmaintained (well, that's even one more issue I have against it), but somebody should work on that soon. rpm/yum combo is slow as mollases (yes, I know about yum makecache, but it is still so far behind apt-get/aptitude update -- have you ever heard about differential updates -- http://tinyurl.com/ylvv9r and http://tinyurl.com/yhwlb6). I am fan of python, but maybe this kind of job is better done by C/C++? Not only that I am really missing aptitude (for those who don't know -- ncurses based frontend for apt-get, which allows browsing, searching, installation, upgrades, anything you want to do with your packages, plus it is able to remeber which packages were installed just to satisfy dependencies, so when they are not needed they are automatically removed as well). I know about apt-rpm, but aptitude still doesn't work with it -- mornfall (aka Peter Rockai aka prockai<at>redhat<dot>com) is working but so far without much success AFAIK. Don't even think about comparing it to pirut/pup -- that's like comparing Porsche to Trabant (for Americans -- imagine Yugo built from plastic -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant). That's all what just went through my mind, Matěj -- http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: ceplma<at>jabber.cz GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC The main idea of the pope's asking for forgiveness was not to be afraid of the truth. DO NOT BE AFRAID OF TRUTH! We have to have faith in the God's governing power to be able not to be afraid. -- On NPR The Connection from March 13, 2000 -- fedora-extras-list mailing list fedora-extras-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-extras-list
