On 10/15/2014 05:30 PM, Martin Kosek wrote: > On 10/15/2014 04:03 PM, Jérôme Fenal wrote: >> 2014-10-15 13:01 GMT+02:00 Martin Kosek <mkosek@xxxxxxxxxx>: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> FreeIPA project is already for some time without sufficient resources to revive >>> and maintain our former long upstream user guide. We did not find enough >>> manpower either in FreeIPA developer nor our users community, so we decided to >>> stop maintaining it. >>> >>> Detailed justification including links to mail threads in: >>> http://www.freeipa.org/page/Upstream_User_Guide >>> >>> I would like to avoid leaving any loose ends on Fedora Documentation project >>> side, do you have any recommendation for us? I already closed respective >>> Bugzillas and upstream Trac tickets with explanation. Should we also orphan the >>> guide in >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Guides >>> >>> or on any other locations? For starters, I think we should close the >>> "freeipa-guide" component of "Fedora Documentation" as nobody from our team >>> would be responding there. >> >> Hi Martin, >> >> What will happen to its downstream Linux Domain Identity Management >> Guide for RHEL? > > Hello Jérôme, > > RHEL guides as listed in > http://www.freeipa.org/page/Documentation#User_Guides > are still actively maintained by Red Hat Technical Writer(s) and should be up > to date. I added direct links to report any bugs that FreeIPA users may find. > >> Should we rely solely on the product help for that documentation? > > No. We want to focus on documentation in FreeIPA.org project community wiki, > i.e. design documents, (user) HOWTO articles or any other general articles that > our users or developers contribute to. > > Wiki is generally much more easy to contribute due to easy syntax and narrow > focus of the pages. Maintaining whole user guide book in docbook is on a whole > different level of complexity and resource requirement on it's contributors - > thus the move from it upstream. Hello everyone, Please let me revive that old thread of mine and revisit this subject as it these guides are now hurting the project too much to ignore it. We (the FreeIPA project) had numerous user confusions, mistakes and problems caused by these old, orphaned guides. We already stopped linking to the guides from the FreeIPA project pages and published our User Guide statement in: http://www.freeipa.org/page/Upstream_User_Guide Currently, the only FreeIPA guides with sufficient staffing and contributions to maintain that big documentation project is with Red Hat and it's Identity Management guides: http://www.freeipa.org/page/Documentation#User_Guides However, the problem is that these guides still pop up in search engine results and FreeIPA user community members periodically come to us and are complaining that some procedure from https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/15/html/FreeIPA_Guide/index.html or https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/17/html/FreeIPA_Guide/index.html or https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/FreeIPA_Guide/index.html does not work or that it is not understandable even though the fixed documentation is live on Red Hat sites. Can we please do something about it? I would suggest either: 1) Add big flash-y admonition to the top of every page in the user guides above, pointing to http://www.freeipa.org/page/Documentation#User_Guides or http://www.freeipa.org/page/Upstream_User_Guide which collects all information about these user guides. 2) Remove these guides from Fedora docs side at all and ideally add a redirect to http://www.freeipa.org/page/Documentation#User_Guides or http://www.freeipa.org/page/Upstream_User_Guide I am looking for any guidance. Thank you! -- Martin Kosek <mkosek@xxxxxxxxxx> Manager, Software Engineering - Identity Management Team Red Hat, Inc. -- docs mailing list docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
