Meeting about Virtualization in Fedora Documentation (04:07:15 PM) lnovich: I'm here (04:07:59 PM) lnovich: i am not sure how to start a meeting, so let's begin? (04:09:11 PM) grundblom: neat, I think we were discussing the virtualization guide, I pulled it down and I see the last commit from June 1 2014 by Pete Travis, do I have the correct one? (04:09:27 PM) ruigo_ [rgouveia@nat/redhat/x-ulytgqsqbmktyizi] entered the room. (04:09:30 PM) lnovich: need to distinguish with a brief history (04:09:45 PM) lnovich: there is more than one virtualization guide (04:09:53 PM) suehle left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 255 seconds). (04:09:58 PM) ruigo left the room (quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer). (04:10:23 PM) grundblom: sure: (04:10:24 PM) lnovich: so we need to be specific. - I created a guide about a year ago called the virtualization deployment and administration guide (04:10:44 PM) lnovich: it WAS up to date for Fedora 19/20 (04:11:02 PM) lnovich: and should have been published at the time - it was left in draft state (04:11:14 PM) lnovich: then there is the virtualization guide (04:11:20 PM) lnovich: which should be much older (04:12:08 PM) lnovich: what Pete did I don't recall (04:12:42 PM) grundblom: Oh, so I might be looking at the wrong guide (04:13:09 PM) lnovich: i kind of pulled out of the project so I am not sure what happened during my absence (04:13:18 PM) p_ondrejka [peter@nat/redhat/x-sczvefygzvjhkrdl] entered the room. (04:13:54 PM) lnovich: randomuser would /should know (04:14:01 PM) grundblom: So in the last docs meeting, we were discussing focusing attention on it right? or did I misinterpret that? (04:14:02 PM) grundblom: or at least on one of them.. (04:14:11 PM) lnovich: yes (04:14:12 PM) mccann [4281f10a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.129.241.10] entered the room. (04:14:30 PM) lnovich: that was right we were discussing adding new content (04:14:49 PM) lnovich: I haven't seen this content and don't know where it has been discussed to add it (04:15:01 PM) ruigo_ left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 265 seconds). (04:15:27 PM) mccann left the room (quit: Client Quit). (04:15:46 PM) smccann [4281f10a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.129.241.10] entered the room. (04:15:55 PM) grundblom: Well the virt-getting-started guide has had some updates, smccann and I have been working on it.. I think that is some of the new content (04:16:03 PM) lnovich: ok (04:16:12 PM) lnovich: that is an excellent place to start (04:16:26 PM) smccann: sorry to join late (04:16:30 PM) lnovich: have the changes been committed? (04:16:46 PM) lnovich: do you have an outline somewhere on a wiki page? (04:18:03 PM) grundblom: that I do not know, I myself did not make an outline, my last commits to the virt-getting-started guide were just before F22 release (04:18:19 PM) lnovich: nevermind found the guide (04:19:37 PM) grundblom: I was hoping to bring some of the boxes content from the virt-getting-started guide to the virt guide, but, I am now wondering which guide it would be appropriate for (04:19:58 PM) lnovich: understand your confusion (04:20:11 PM) Capesteve: lnovich: check the branches, I think smccann has been committing to a branch (04:20:15 PM) lnovich: let's first of all take a look at the getting started guide (04:20:21 PM) smccann: his changes and mine were published with F22 (04:20:40 PM) smccann: Capesteve - I graduated to master branch before the f22 release :-) (04:20:57 PM) lnovich: ok back to what I was saying? (04:20:59 PM) smccann: So what's out on the web is the latest/greatest on the virt getting started (04:21:06 PM) lnovich: yes (04:21:14 PM) lnovich: it should be (04:21:26 PM) Capesteve: oh, good news :) (04:21:41 PM) jreznik left the room (quit: Quit: Konversation terminated!). (04:21:50 PM) lnovich: the getting started guide needs some more revisions to change it into something better (04:22:14 PM) smccann: ok feedback always welcome! (04:22:46 PM) lnovich: this is no fault to you, but we should decide how this guide is going to be planned (04:22:53 PM) lnovich: what information is to stay/ leave (04:22:58 PM) lnovich: and what needs to be addede (04:23:00 PM) lnovich: added (04:23:33 PM) smccann: what's the best way to track your recommendations? bugs? wiki page? email list? (04:23:34 PM) jreznik [jreznik@nat/redhat/x-zwxsnhnkkvemkwte] entered the room. (04:23:39 PM) lnovich: if this is a getting started all it needs is 1 a brief intro and 2 a quick start (04:24:03 PM) lnovich: HOWEVER - if this is to become an Installation guide - that is something else all together (04:24:15 PM) lnovich: that choice is up to you (04:24:29 PM) smccann: i'd like to keep it a getting started - for the newbie who just wants to bring up a VM and use it. (04:24:50 PM) lnovich: the virtualization deployment and admin guide is much more comprehensive (04:25:05 PM) lnovich: ok so a newbie needs more info (04:25:22 PM) lnovich: chapter 2 is in need of several things (04:25:46 PM) lnovich: we need to explain what a hypervisor is (04:25:55 PM) ruigo_ [rgouveia@nat/redhat/x-whkerbzuyeoftdor] entered the room. (04:26:00 PM) lnovich: what guests/hypervisors are supported (04:26:15 PM) lnovich: and what the possibilities are in combination (04:27:04 PM) lnovich: we should also explain how devices are emulated (04:27:30 PM) smccann: hmm... does a newbie wanting to bring up a VM really need the emulation details? (04:27:44 PM) lnovich: no but they won't know it is possible to do so (04:27:56 PM) lnovich: not the nitty gritty details (04:27:59 PM) smccann: k so just a brief intro to it (04:29:16 PM) lnovich: we should probably put these ideas into a wiki page somewhere (04:30:14 PM) smccann: yeah I'm taking notes I can move to a wiki but how do I decide where to put it? (04:30:43 PM) lnovich: I'll set up a page (04:31:10 PM) smccann: kk (04:31:10 PM) grundblom: Thats what I was thinking, I didnt know if there were Fedora wiki guide change pages.. (04:33:25 PM) mnavrati left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds). (04:37:50 PM) grundblom: smccann does the current virt getting started guide build for you? (04:38:39 PM) smccann: it did before I upgraded to f22. I noticed it didn't after that, but wondered if I'd messed up my upgrade. I haven't gone back to check (04:39:06 PM) smccann: and I'm not on that machine right now. IF you are also having issues, then it wasn't my upgrade that messed it up. I'll poke at it later (04:39:09 PM) grundblom: Yeah it does not build on my F22 box, I did a nuke and pave install.. (04:39:26 PM) ***randomuser sips coffee (04:39:37 PM) smccann: hmm. there was something somewhere about publican perhaps having issues in f22... sound familiar to anyone here? (04:39:42 PM) randomuser: there is a known libxml2 bug affectiong f>21 (04:40:01 PM) randomuser: the spelling is at the bottom of the mug (04:40:09 PM) smccann: randomuser - so we should continue to build on F21 only? (04:41:49 PM) grundblom: hrm, I missed that bug.. (04:41:59 PM) pbokoc: you could make a VM :) (04:42:05 PM) pbokoc: or a container (04:42:30 PM) randomuser: CC yourself on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1199396 to start (04:42:36 PM) smccann: AAAHAHAH!!! (04:42:42 PM) grundblom: We could make a F21 box in our F22 install to make documentation for F22 (04:42:58 PM) randomuser: I've been using yelp to preview and a vm for proofing (04:43:02 PM) smccann: yes, pbokoc and grundblom, we could! (04:43:20 PM) grundblom: I am going to need more hard drive space and ram... (04:43:41 PM) randomuser: but really, get on that bug. The package maintainer gets a notification every time, often more CCs is treated as an escalation (04:43:51 PM) bexelbie: consider using a docker container to run publican (04:44:00 PM) bexelbie: yruseva, almost has a container completed ^^ (04:44:23 PM) ***bexelbie does it with some other publishing tools that are "fragile" or want a crap-ton of dependencies I don't want on my main box (04:45:14 PM) smccann: erm.. new to docker, where do we document that for fedora? :-) (04:45:22 PM) p_ondrejka left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving). (04:46:39 PM) pbokoc: Docker documents that for Fedora :) https://docs.docker.com/installation/fedora/ (04:46:58 PM) lnovich: nested virtualization is working in F22? (04:47:18 PM) mnavrati [milan@nat/redhat/x-qzmvvzhysisrczbg] entered the room. (04:48:15 PM) randomuser: iirc you have to do something extra to make it work, lnovich, but it's been a few years since I've tried (04:48:42 PM) Corey84: nested as in vm in a vm ? (04:48:52 PM) lnovich: Corey84: yes (04:49:11 PM) lnovich: otherwise you won't be able to install a vm on a vm (04:49:22 PM) bexelbie: docker is installed by default (04:49:25 PM) p_ondrejka [peter@nat/redhat/x-oeefiklypuszmtut] entered the room. (04:49:30 PM) bexelbie: in F21 and F22 iirc (04:49:32 PM) smccann: there was something in BIOS to check/change i think (04:49:54 PM) grundblom: Ok, so for my take-aways I have: 1. Install Docker and get the publican tools from F21 working so I can build again, (04:50:25 PM) lnovich: ok so something more to add to the guides (04:50:30 PM) bexelbie: grundblom, if you are going to get the tools working you can use a VM and not have to learn Docker - in the future yruseva should have a container we can use (04:50:30 PM) grundblom: lnovich is making a wiki page for an outline on what we need to do for the virt-getting-started guide to be able to bring its content to a more comprehensive guide.. (04:50:36 PM) ***bexelbie may be able to push her a bit this week :D (04:50:46 PM) lnovich: push who? (04:51:01 PM) Corey84: i've recently done docker with vm but not vm in vm (04:51:03 PM) lnovich: you better have very long arms.... (04:51:27 PM) lnovich: randomuser: do you have a suggestion where to put this wiki page? (04:51:45 PM) kamdard [~kamdard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] entered the room. (04:52:23 PM) randomuser: hmm? what wiki page? (04:52:37 PM) bexelbie: push yruseva (04:53:05 PM) lnovich: randomuser: (04:50:30 PM) grundblom: lnovich is making a wiki page for an outline on what we need to do for the virt-getting-started guide to be able to bring its content to a more comprehensive guide.. (04:53:33 PM) randomuser: ah (04:54:02 PM) randomuser: call it, erm, "Virt Getting Started Guide Planning" ? (04:54:12 PM) lnovich: no i mean where as in url (04:55:00 PM) p_ondrejka left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving). (04:56:04 PM) randomuser: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virt_Getting_Started_Planning (04:56:19 PM) randomuser: fp.o/wiki/page_name (04:56:28 PM) lnovich: ok works for me! (04:56:30 PM) lnovich: thanks (04:58:36 PM) smccann: should we create one for the virt deploy guide as well and start collecting ideas there too? (04:58:45 PM) lnovich: sure (04:59:14 PM) mnavrati is now known as mnavrati_mtg (04:59:24 PM) slevine [~slevine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] entered the room. (05:01:23 PM) smccann: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virt_Deploy_Admin_Planning (05:01:32 PM) lnovich: nice one smccann! (05:02:02 PM) smccann: it's my first created wiki page... I wonder if I get a badge for this! (05:02:14 PM) ***smccann collects badges for motivation (05:02:14 PM) lnovich: smccann++ (05:02:20 PM) zodbot: lnovich: Karma for smccann changed to 2: https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any (05:02:42 PM) grundblom: Well done! (05:03:34 PM) smccann: aw shucks... thanks :-) (05:03:34 PM) kushal [~kdas@103.249.88.135] entered the room. (05:03:44 PM) kushal left the room (quit: Changing host). (05:03:44 PM) kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] entered the room. (05:04:16 PM) lnovich: ok listen - i have 2 more meetings back to back and need to grab a drink before I go to the meeting room (05:04:26 PM) lnovich: i will start the wiki page. (05:04:56 PM) smccann: okay thanks for all the help! (05:04:59 PM) lnovich: please put your comments in as a different color so i can track them (05:05:14 PM) lnovich: or mark who it is making the comment /change (05:06:21 PM) grundblom: Great, thanks lnovich and smccann! (05:06:38 PM) lnovich: next wed, same bat time same bat channel? (05:06:56 PM) smccann: sounds good (05:07:03 PM) grundblom: Sounds like a plan (05:07:15 PM) ***lnovich waves good bye -- Regards, Laura Novich ****************************************************** * Laura Novich * * RHCSA (Red Hat Certified System Administrator) * * * * Content Author, Platform Virtualization / KVM * * Customer Content Services (CCS) * * Red Hat EMEA, Ra'anana Israel * * * * Phone: +972 9 7692397 * * Direct:72397 * * Fax: +972 9 7692223 * * Mobile: +972 54 7693489 * * * * IRC: lnovich * * * ****************************************************** -- docs mailing list docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/docs
