The minutes looked bare today, so you get the full log too. ==================================================================================================== #fedora-meeting: Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings ==================================================================================================== Meeting started by randomuser at 14:00:05 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-10-13/fedora_docs.2014-10-13-14.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (randomuser, 14:00:06) * New Writers (randomuser, 14:06:00) * Release Note Beats (randomuser, 14:10:29) * schedule https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-21/f-21-docs-tasks.html (randomuser, 14:10:39) * Publican/publishing (randomuser, 14:21:07) * Guide Status (randomuser, 14:29:26) * lots of guide talk, read the full logs for details (randomuser, 14:42:55) * Open Floor (randomuser, 14:51:59) Meeting ended at 15:00:36 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * randomuser (84) * pbokoc (29) * pkovar (19) * zoglesby_work (12) * jhradilek (9) * tusharkumar (8) * donniezazen (6) * jreznik (6) * bara_ (5) * Capesteve (5) * zodbot (4) * threebean (3) * bexelbie (3) * jjmcd (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot =================================================================== 14:00:05 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 14:00:05 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Oct 13 14:00:05 2014 UTC. The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:05 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:06 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs 14:00:06 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call 14:00:06 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 14:00:18 <randomuser> #chair pbokoc 14:00:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: pbokoc randomuser 14:02:27 <randomuser> umm 14:02:44 <bexelbie> how does one get on the meeting reminder from zodbot? It is nice to get pulled in when I have time 14:03:11 * randomuser checks 14:03:21 <pbokoc> I'm here! 14:03:31 <donniezazen> Hi, I am attending the meeting for the first time. I am not a contributor at the moment. 14:03:44 * bexelbie only has 10 min :( 14:03:44 <pbokoc> hi donniezazen! 14:03:58 <donniezazen> hi back pbokoc 14:04:02 <randomuser> bexelbie, .PingLists add docsping in -docs 14:04:27 <randomuser> Hi donniezazen , glad you could come 14:04:48 <donniezazen> randomuser: I am glad too. Thanks. 14:05:11 * bara_ says hi 14:05:17 <randomuser> we have a short segment of the meeting for new folks, and after we can answer questions and talk in detail in #fedora-docs 14:05:33 <bexelbie> randomuser, ty 14:06:00 <randomuser> #topic New Writers 14:06:08 <randomuser> any new writers join today? 14:06:47 <donniezazen> Do you mean those who have already started contributing? 14:07:11 <randomuser> donniezazen, would you like to introduce yourself? 14:08:18 <randomuser> oh, tusharkumar is also a new writer. if you haven't encountered him yet, say hello sometime. He is really diving in 14:08:31 <donniezazen> This is Sudhir Khanger. I am a Fedora user. I have been since the release of F20. I have some time ago switched careers and I am trying to work on my own gigs as an Android developer. I am based in India. 14:09:18 <tusharkumar> Hello everyone! 14:09:53 <randomuser> welcome, Sudhir! 14:10:17 <randomuser> I won't dwell here, we have a lot to cover, but do visit us in #fedora-docs anytime 14:10:29 <randomuser> #Topic Release Note Beats 14:10:34 <donniezazen> I will do. Thanks. 14:10:39 <randomuser> #info schedule https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-21/f-21-docs-tasks.html 14:11:04 * jjmcd late 14:11:15 <randomuser> so today, according to the schedule, we have beta RNs done and all POTs in from l10n 14:11:48 <randomuser> so, we're behind there; I'll push POTs *out* today, but it won't be everything 14:12:13 <randomuser> there are still a lot of self-contained changes to cover, and in fact, today was the completion deadline for self contained changes 14:13:01 <randomuser> I think I'll talk to jreznik about adjusting our schedule to have content deadlines after the change deadline 14:13:23 <jreznik> give me date, I'll update it 14:13:23 <pbokoc> that does sound like a good idea 14:14:22 <pbokoc> so, if a change is still not on ON_QA tomorrow, we don't document it? 14:14:38 <randomuser> jreznik, it would involve a few items being shuffled, let us look it over and ping/mail you 14:14:47 <jreznik> sure 14:15:06 <randomuser> pbokoc, maybe.. some changes I looked at had last contact months ago, but they were *done* months ago too 14:15:27 <randomuser> IMO it's worth doing a little investigation regardless of the bug status 14:15:32 <pbokoc> right... well, damnit 14:16:13 <jreznik> pbokoc: I'm now pinging change onwers - usually, it goes to fesco for Wed meeting - and we always give some time to make sure all is up to date (aka 1 week more) 14:16:16 <randomuser> although we could play it that way, say "if you don't keep your change ticket up to date, you don't get the benefits of participating in the Change process" 14:16:28 <jreznik> randomuser: I take it this way 14:16:48 <jreznik> and one outcome is visibility through RN, if you don't play nice, sorry 14:17:43 <randomuser> jreznik, otoh, we want to find things to document that don't go through the Change process too. however much it's turned out to be "summary of release notes sections from Change pages" that isn't ideal 14:18:11 <randomuser> in any case, we're all hands on deck to churn out the remaining F21 content now 14:18:37 <randomuser> so please help if you can 14:19:08 <randomuser> any questions or concerns on beats? 14:20:23 <jreznik> randomuser: well, things out of Change process - no idea how to get there... that was the reason why we came with Self Contained changes to make it as easy as possible to participate but you know... 14:20:55 <randomuser> jreznik, I'll take any way they want to communicate RNs things they can find :) 14:21:07 <randomuser> #topic Publican/publishing 14:21:52 <randomuser> I haven't worked on this in a couple weeks, but Jeff Fearn, lead publican developer, did mail us with some suggestions 14:22:24 <randomuser> I'm hoping that is an indication that he might take a more active role in getting our site redeployment off the ground 14:24:04 <pbokoc> I'm kinda lost here. What's the actual plan now? Are we still going to have the new website on F21 release? And are we going to use koji for publishing, or are we going to keep doing the git thing with an outdated publican? 14:24:26 <randomuser> pbokoc, we want to do something different, as soon as we figure it out 14:24:45 <pbokoc> randomuser, Jenkins? 14:24:54 <randomuser> I haven't been able to figure it out... 14:25:17 <randomuser> pbokoc, if someone produces a viable alternative, I think it would be worth discussing :) 14:25:51 <pbokoc> randomuser, yeah, always... but I'm kinda concerned because F21 release is coming like a freight train... 14:25:55 <randomuser> yeah 14:26:39 <randomuser> pbokoc, I'll take another run at the koji site in the next couple days. Maybe I'll have to compromise and do some manual hacking to make it work 14:27:05 <pbokoc> randomuser, unfortunately I can't help you here, this is completely beyond me 14:28:17 <randomuser> it's a cascading thing; something doesn't work, so it [appears] you have to make a change to the publican brand's spec file template, then use that to rebuild the brand, then rebuild the landing page with the new brand, then rebuild packages, then find out "no, that wasn't the right place to make a change, or maybe it was the wrong change in the right place" and you start over with rebuilding the whole stack 14:28:37 * pbokoc 's head explodes 14:29:00 * zoglesby_work is late 14:29:00 <randomuser> ... I don't want to take up meeting time ranting, just bring everyone up to speed with the situation as it stands 14:29:08 <randomuser> hey zoglesby_work 14:29:26 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status 14:29:39 <randomuser> How are we on guides? 14:29:56 * jhradilek just started paying attention to this channel. 14:30:10 <pbokoc> I finally started working on rewriting the anaconda chapter, but it's taking me forever 14:30:23 <zoglesby_work> I had a huge update to the ARM Guide this weekend thanks to bemk, but I don't think I will have the rest of the guide ready for F21 14:30:46 <randomuser> zoglesby_work, i saw that, very nice :) 14:31:07 <pbokoc> I want to finish this week though, and after that's done the IG will almost be publishable 14:31:13 <pbokoc> kudos to zoglesby :) 14:31:39 <randomuser> pbokoc, want to try some git submodules for the media creation content? 14:31:43 * randomuser ducks 14:32:05 <pbokoc> I, err... :-D 14:32:17 <bara_> I've started to work on the SELinux guide but there are a lot of things to do 14:32:43 * pkovar is late to the party 14:32:55 <pbokoc> randomuser, I honestly don't really know what they are, I just vaguely remember it was somehow connected to modular content 14:33:01 <randomuser> bara_, that one is a moving target, I don't envy you. Do you have a task list, or set of bugs people can assign to themselves? 14:33:12 <tusharkumar> randomuser: Would you like to mention systemd guide? 14:33:17 <randomuser> tusharkumar, probably :) 14:33:37 <pkovar> modular content? ;) 14:33:49 <randomuser> pbokoc, folder inside git repo contains another git repo, not too complicated 14:33:59 <pkovar> ah, submodules? 14:34:00 <pbokoc> right 14:34:15 <randomuser> maybe firewall stuff would be a better testcase 14:34:19 <bara_> randomuser, not really, I've just created the book from RHEL7 guide and now I need to have a meeting with Mirek Grepl to point to someone who can be able to point what is different in Fedora and RHEL.. I could then create some bugs according to this 14:34:38 <zoglesby_work> randomuser: do you have a box that can publish the current docs site? 14:34:39 <pbokoc> randomuser, I don't think I'll have a chance to start doing that now, but if you're going to do media creation and you want to do that, go right ahead :)) 14:34:44 <bara_> *to point me 14:35:08 <randomuser> zoglesby, not at the moment, but I still have F18 on my local mirror and can spin up a guest for that quickly enough 14:35:36 <randomuser> bara_, sounds like a solid plan. 14:35:51 <zoglesby_work> randomuser: I want to publish the ARM Guide to draft docs, but I don't have a machine that can do so 14:36:12 <zoglesby_work> Another reason why we need to get the new site up and running 14:36:13 <randomuser> zoglesby_work, pkovar might help, he did the last few? 14:36:16 <pbokoc> pkovar, do you still have that F18 VM that can publish books? :) 14:36:29 <randomuser> zoglesby, you just missed that topic :P 14:37:25 <bara_> randomuser, well I hope I will have more details next week 14:37:29 <randomuser> cool 14:37:32 <pkovar> i'm terribly busy atm but should be able to help. i would however strongly prefer to see us migrating to a supported publishing platform 14:37:44 <randomuser> pkovar, agreed 14:37:54 <pbokoc> amen 14:37:57 <zoglesby_work> +100 14:38:15 <randomuser> I tossed out the idea of a systemd container guide, and there was some interest and no objections, so that might happen sometime soon 14:38:21 <zoglesby_work> pkovar: no worries, it can wait 14:38:38 <randomuser> tusharkumar wants to work on it 14:39:24 <pkovar> zoglesby_work: send me a link to the repo and the branch, i will see what i can do 14:39:46 <zoglesby_work> pkovar: https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/docs/ARM-getting-started-guide.git/ 14:39:48 <zoglesby_work> master 14:39:55 <pkovar> ok 14:40:17 <randomuser> I might make a VM available on request for this kind of thing 14:40:29 <pkovar> if it builds, i will publish it :) 14:40:37 <randomuser> zoglesby_work, remind me I said that if it doesn't happen soon :) 14:40:39 <zoglesby_work> pkovar: but its not pressing, I only want to get it posted so that I can try and get others to help work on it once they see it is real 14:40:49 <pkovar> sure 14:41:21 <zoglesby_work> pkovar: yeah, I am not sure if it builds or not, but don't spend any time on it is it won't build 14:42:55 <randomuser> #info lots of guide talk, read the full logs for details 14:43:19 <randomuser> anything else before we move on? 14:43:26 <tusharkumar> randomuser: Already doing my research on systemd. Will send a draft in couple of days. :) 14:43:52 <tusharkumar> first of many drafts :P 14:44:21 <randomuser> tusharkumar great - we're talking about systemd _containers_, right? 14:44:37 <randomuser> not general interest systemd? 14:45:15 <tusharkumar> Specific topic within specific topic. I was talking about general interest systemd. 14:46:11 <randomuser> General systemd content would probably belong in the System Administrators Guide 14:46:21 <pbokoc> yep, definitely 14:46:35 <pkovar> right 14:46:43 <randomuser> tusharkumar, I suggest you clone that guide and look it over, talk to jhradilek or Capesteve about working on it 14:47:18 <tusharkumar> Sure 14:47:53 <Capesteve> Systemd Chapter is pretty good already is it not? 14:47:56 <tusharkumar> randomuser: Who knows this specific topic will emerge from that Sys Admin guide :) 14:48:24 <randomuser> tusharkumar, yes, my intent was to create a guide to specifically address systemd-nspawn container management 14:48:30 <pbokoc> Capesteve, not in Fedora... 14:48:36 <jhradilek> Yup. 14:48:39 <jhradilek> My fault. 14:48:46 <Capesteve> ahh, yes 14:48:48 <jhradilek> I have it on my TODO list. 14:49:12 <pbokoc> anyway the thing is, we already have extensive systemd documentation in Red Hat docs, the only problem is we need to transfer it to the Fedora Sysadmin Guide 14:49:14 <Capesteve> So, please hold off untill jhradilek updates it 14:49:20 <pbokoc> but it's already written 14:49:47 <Capesteve> I am working through the chapters but some belong to jhradilek 14:49:52 <randomuser> jhradilek, Capesteve - your thoughts on a container guide? 14:49:59 <randomuser> hold off on that as well? 14:50:36 <Capesteve> no opinion as I am not familiar with that 14:50:45 <pbokoc> I think the current docs don't cover containers, so if tusharkumar wants to work on that, it's fine 14:50:51 * randomuser nods 14:50:52 <jhradilek> Nod. 14:51:03 <randomuser> ok 14:51:10 <tusharkumar> Sure 14:51:46 <randomuser> I think we've covered guides well for today; please remember to use bz or wiki task lists to give other contributors a place to pick up some work 14:51:59 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor 14:52:34 <pbokoc> oh, one more thing I forgot to mention: vpodzime's Anaconda Addon Development Guide is probably going to move into the Installation Guide, I'll make an appendix out of it if nobody objects 14:52:58 <randomuser> pbokoc, so much for trimming it down :) 14:53:13 <pbokoc> randomuser, oh don't worry, it's still going to be trimmed all right :)) 14:53:51 <randomuser> pbokoc, is vpodzime still going to maintain it? 14:53:52 <pkovar> randomuser: there have been conversations about containers, docker, etx. docs in env-stack WG. check out their ML archive for details 14:54:26 <randomuser> pkovar, sure, will do. I think i'm subscribed, but, you know, lots of subscriptions :) 14:54:49 <pkovar> randomuser: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/env-and-stacks/2014-October/000553.html 14:54:53 <pbokoc> randomuser, well, yeah. I'll keep it under my wing but I'll pester him to update it before every release 14:55:04 <pkovar> people seem to have some initial material written 14:55:14 <pkovar> now the Q is where to publish it 14:55:26 <pkovar> they don't want to bother with XML and publican 14:55:54 <pkovar> so they are looking into alternatives 14:56:00 <randomuser> pkovar, well, we currently don't have anything to offer them, then, other than assistance creating a fork they don't want to maintain :( 14:56:07 <pkovar> --> modular content ;) 14:56:16 <jhradilek> *cough* jenkinscat *cough* 14:56:17 <jhradilek> :P 14:56:38 <pkovar> randomuser: right. jenkinscat might be the answer 14:57:01 <randomuser> do we know what's needed to make that work, jhradilek ? 14:57:18 <zoglesby_work> what is jenkinscat? 14:58:00 <pbokoc> jhradilek just ran off somewhere 14:58:23 <randomuser> zoglesby, git release branch -> jenkins -> jenkinscat frontend -> varnish. No publishing action required outside of committing to release branch, builds anything 14:58:24 <pkovar> a jenkins-based build system for any docs 14:58:39 <jhradilek> randomuser: Well, we need to figure out that Jenkins support thing. 14:58:49 <randomuser> oh, the packaging, right 14:58:51 <pkovar> very lightweight compared to koji 14:58:58 <jhradilek> And very flexible. 14:59:40 <threebean> not sure if it's been discussed before, but we have a fledgling jenkins instance over here that might be able to be used -> http://jenkins.cloud.fedoraproject.org 14:59:41 <randomuser> jhradilek, any contact with the jenkins maintainer? I though about it, when I just documented the Jenkins CHange in the RNs 15:00:09 <randomuser> threebean, nirik said we have to get it more infra-compliant before we can use it for production 15:00:17 * threebean nods 15:00:29 <pbokoc> I think we should move to #fedora-docs 15:00:30 <threebean> makes sense, yes. 15:00:31 <randomuser> let's cede to qa, move to -docs 15:00:36 <randomuser> #endmeeting -- -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanetize@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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