On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Pete Travis <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > This seems like [another] case of "we want to show all available desktop > files without filters, but that looks cluttered, so all other packages > should change so we don't have to add filters." I appreciate the work > you're putting into the details on the default install, really, but as has > often been pointed out it will be really easy to gain that clutter back with > Software. Two things can change here; *all* packages shipping desktop > files, or the *one* displaying them. If your criticism can't be constructive, don't say anything. > > That said, users *should* have Release Notes, by default, offline, and > discoverable. Fedora changes a lot between releases, and I sincerely > believe that taking the extra measures to expose users to this documentation > helps alleviate frustration and prevents dissatisfaction when something > doesn't work as expected. What seems obvious in context isn't always so > apparent to those on the outside of your process. A measurable portion of > users will look for the reasoning and recommended remedies for unexpected > things they encounter. No other operation system comes with the release notes bundled with the OS. This is not really a thing users *expect*. > > Not everyone will simply think "oh, I can install that firewall config tool > with Software, I'm just going to accept that and not question it or look for > more information." Some will look for RNs, some will look for speculative > forum posts, some will look for blog posts, and some will look for *you* to > *personally justify* your actions. Our goal is to provide all of these > people the information they need to understand the behavior they encounter > and achieve the behavior they want. It's a service provided by the Docs > team to both users *and* developers. The benefits outweigh the pain of > having an icon that you aren't that interested in. I don't understand what's the problem with having the release notes available on the web and linked to in the download page and in the support page. > As a maintainer of that package, I'd welcome specific suggestions or > requests to improve presentation. Few options: * Instead of installing a launcher, make it available in gnome-documents or yelp. You can separate the launcher to a subpackage for desktops that don't care about the application model or having a consistent user experience. * Do nothing. We can exclude the release notes from the Workstation media. It will still be available in the web. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- docs mailing list docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/docs
