(pjones, there's a paragraph about bootloader stuff in the middle of this mail which could use your input - skip straight to that :>) Hi, folks. Just looking over the Upgrading section of the F20 install guide as part of my hurried project to try and co-ordinate our fedup messaging... I believe these parts: "Some upgraded packages may require the installation of other packages for proper operation. If you choose to customize your packages to upgrade, you may be required to resolve dependency problems. Otherwise, the upgrade procedure takes care of these dependencies, but it may need to install additional packages which are not on your system. Depending on how you have partitioned your system, the upgrade program may prompt you to add an additional swap file. If the upgrade program does not detect a swap file that equals twice your RAM, it asks you if you would like to add a new swap file. If your system does not have a lot of RAM (less than 256 MB), it is recommended that you add this swap file." from https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Installation_Guide/ch-upgrade-x86.html are old holdovers from preupgrade and no longer applicable or relevant; I think they should simply be removed. https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Installation_Guide/ch18s02.html : The --debuglog stuff seems kind of extraneous, since you never explain to people what it's for or what to do with the log. I'd either add a note about what this does and why they might want to look at the log etc, or just drop that parameter from the instructions. The stuff about updating the bootloader on UEFI is specific to the Fedora XX->Fedora 18 transition where grub2-efi was introduced. F17 and earlier are now EOL and we do not really support upgrades from EOL releases. I would suggest we simplify this section and basically write it considering only upgrades from 18 or 19, at least in the main body. I don't _believe_ we have made any changes to the efibootmgr stuff between F18 and F20, or that it is necessary to 'refresh' the grub2 configuration - I think UEFI upgrades at least between F18 and F20 should not require or even recommend any form of manual intervention with grub; it should all be in order after a fedup. pjones, can you correct me if I forgot anything? (I need to check how this works out in the real world, for sanity - had a couple of reports this morning of UEFI fedup not working properly at all, but the _theory_ is what should be reflected in the installation guide text, I guess). So, I'd recommend replacing "This is not mandatory, but is recommended for BIOS systems and strongly recommended for EFI systems." with "This is not necessary for UEFI systems. It is not mandatory, but is recommended, for BIOS systems." and then dropping everything from "To update GRUB on EFI systems..." to "After the next reboot, your system will be using grub2-efi." The 'fedup can only upgrade from Fedora 17 and above' note is also now fairly EOL-y. The "If the contents of your /etc/fedora-release" note is I believe a holdover from anaconda-based upgrades and can be removed. We could add a little 'EOL upgrades' section at the bottom, perhaps, which explains that EOL upgrades are not supported but you can try if you're adventurous enough, and maybe suggest reading the installation guides for the relevant Fedora releases to find specific instructions like bootloader migration? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- docs mailing list docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/docs
