-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 23:00:37 <sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 23:00:38 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Apr 28 23:00:37 2010 UTC. The chair is sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 23:00:40 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 23:00:45 <sparks> #topic Roll Call 23:00:47 * sparks 23:00:50 * jjmcd 23:00:50 * rudi_ is here 23:00:52 * Gearoid 23:00:55 * ke4qqq 23:01:17 * Emad78 is here 23:01:46 * gbinns 23:02:20 * nb here 23:02:23 <sparks> Okay, lots of stuff to talk about so lets get started. 23:02:26 <nb> stickster, sparks can we cover my parts first if possible? I am not sure how long i will be able to remain 23:02:35 <sparks> nb: Yep 23:02:47 <sparks> #topic git repo conversion 23:02:51 <sparks> nb: Go 23:03:07 <nb> conversion is basically done, you can go ahead and pull ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/web.git and commit to it 23:03:18 <nb> the sync script is not running yet, will have it done when i get home in a few hours 23:03:22 <nb> but i tested it and it is working fine 23:03:32 <nb> any member of docs group has commit access 23:03:44 <nb> i tested the sync script and it works ok 23:03:55 * noriko sorry here 23:03:57 <sparks> nb: So you commit to it and it magically appears on the web? 23:04:02 <nb> sparks, every hour 23:04:12 <sparks> excellent 23:04:19 <ke4qqq> nb: commit mail setup? 23:04:20 <nb> at 5 mins past the hour it pulls from git onto bapp01, and then at 10 mins past the hour the proxies sync it 23:04:27 <nb> ke4qqq, no, i need to do that 23:04:36 <ke4qqq> nb - if you want I'll take care of that 23:04:36 <sparks> #info docs.fp.o backend has now moved to git 23:04:50 <sparks> #info the web-frontend syncs with git every hour. 23:04:59 <jjmcd> we had talked about organizing it. Any issues with a commit that turns out to be a massive change? 23:05:04 <nb> the other discussion we had on irc today was the idea of making docs be the commit group for the docs repos too 23:05:26 <nb> that's the way it was historically until we moved to git for all the docs 23:05:44 <jjmcd> One concern I have is that there is a lot of old stuff in the docs group 23:05:58 <jjmcd> Perhaps some maintenance is in order 23:05:58 <ke4qqq> is there?? I thought sparks cleaned that out regularly 23:06:17 <jjmcd> Have to admit, I haven't really looked hard lately 23:06:25 <sparks> ke4qqq: I do not because I seem to get flac everytime I do... of course it is from one person. 23:06:27 <ke4qqq> there's also a number of docs that aren't under /git/docs - is the plan to migrate them under docs? 23:06:36 <nb> ke4qqq, i can do if we want 23:07:02 <nb> but docs being commit group is independent of if they are under /git/docs 23:07:08 <ke4qqq> that's probably something the docs group needs to go identify - see the repos that aren't under docs/ 23:07:16 <ke4qqq> and give you a list 23:08:39 <ke4qqq> sparks: feel free to task me with that - I'll push such a list to the m-l first and then elsewhere 23:09:12 <sparks> ke4qqq: What do you want to do? 23:09:29 <ke4qqq> identify the guides/other items that aren't under docs/ 23:09:49 <sparks> #action ke4qqq to identify the guides/other items that aren't under docs/ 23:09:58 <ke4qqq> so that they are all under that group for easy of managing things from infras perspective 23:10:04 <sparks> Works for me 23:10:40 <jjmcd> nb, any reason why sometimes when you look at git on the web you get mirror-manager 23:11:03 <jjmcd> seems to be only last week or so 23:12:51 <sparks> I'll ask a question I had while nb has paused... 23:13:11 <sparks> Who needs help with git? 23:13:27 <Emad78> I can always use help 23:13:36 <nb> Can look 23:13:38 <sparks> Okay... how about this... 23:13:41 <nb> I am semi here 23:13:53 <sparks> after the meeting we'll help people with git in #fedora-docs. 23:14:07 <ke4qqq> nb does this mean we can do away with the scores of docs fas groups? 23:14:10 <nb> Do we want to move them all under docs? And use docs as group? 23:14:14 <nb> Yes we could 23:14:39 <nb> We can't delete but we can inactive them and just not use them 23:15:08 <rudi_> +1 to one group to rule them all 23:15:10 <sparks> Does anyone have a problem with just using the docs group as a master key to all repos and to docs.fp.o? 23:15:11 <ke4qqq> that makes life a lot simpler 23:15:14 <jjmcd> I think we may want to talk about that for a bit, tho 23:15:16 <nb> Less complexity that way 23:16:00 <jjmcd> But perhaps in another forum when there is more time, tho 23:16:15 <rudi_> If we want to get translators more involved in publishing translated docs, would we just add them to the docs group? Or allow cvsl10n to push to the site repo as well? 23:16:33 <sparks> rudi_: We could 23:16:34 <nb> Adding to docs is easier 23:16:43 <rudi_> +1 easier :) 23:16:47 <nb> But theoretically could use setfacl 23:16:47 <sparks> I think a lot of the translators are already in docs. 23:18:07 <sparks> Okay, so lets table the making docs the master key until next week. 23:18:23 <sparks> Good? 23:18:26 <nb> It's 2 parts too 23:18:38 <sparks> 2 parts? 23:18:44 <nb> The group having access, and moving under docs/* 23:18:53 <sparks> Good point 23:18:56 <nb> 1 is easy 2 requires coordination 23:19:15 <nb> We could go ahea and do 1 and wait on 2 23:19:18 <jjmcd> After zeroday we'll have a quiet spell 23:19:20 <ke4qqq> yes 2 will break things for those not paying attention 23:19:28 <sparks> Okay... 23:19:49 <sparks> #idea Make the docs group a master key to all git repos 23:20:02 <sparks> #idea move all git repos under docs/ 23:20:13 <sparks> Tabled until next week. 23:20:21 <sparks> all in favor? 23:20:24 <sparks> +1 23:20:50 <jjmcd> +1 23:20:53 <rudi_> +1 23:21:04 <nb> I'd suggest going ahead and doing 1 beore the freeze 23:21:09 <nb> But can wait if we want 23:21:27 <sparks> We don't have much time do we? 23:21:30 <jjmcd> I think that is the one that needs the most discussion, but that is apparently just me 23:21:30 <nb> +1 to deferring moving all to docs/* 23:21:41 <nb> I can have the group changes done tonight 23:21:46 <ke4qqq> I am slightly concerned because of l10n - for pre freeze - are we sure we won't disrupt them by changing perms 23:21:53 <nb> It just takes a couple chgrps 23:22:17 <nb> I can doublecheck to make sure everyone is in docs group 23:23:39 <sparks> Can someone move this discussion to the docs list? 23:23:52 <nb> Ok 23:24:02 <nb> Well karsten already started it 23:24:04 <nb> Kind of 23:24:21 <sparks> nb: Can you follow up to that message with the addtional thoughts? 23:24:28 <nb> Yeah 23:24:41 <sparks> thanks. 23:24:48 <sparks> Okay, anything else on this topic? 23:25:04 * sparks notes we just blew the schedule out the window 23:25:07 <nb> FYI pushing to git is ok Noe 23:25:08 <nb> Now 23:25:14 <nb> Just won't sync yet 23:25:16 <sparks> nb: Cool 23:25:21 <nb> Gtg now 23:25:27 <jjmcd> thanks nb 23:25:29 <rudi_> Thanks nb 23:25:32 <nb> Email me or ping me 23:25:33 <nb> And I'll read scrollback 23:26:05 <sparks> Okay... let's start with the top of the agenda, now. 23:26:22 <sparks> #topic Follow up on last week's action items 23:26:30 * jjmcd marked his done items so we don't have to spend time on them 23:26:41 <sparks> stickster noted that his items weren't due until next week so... not a problem. 23:26:46 <jjmcd> stickster did 2 but 3 is next week 23:26:59 <jjmcd> but we do need to re-add it as an action 23:27:16 <sparks> I did #6 but need to bring up SELF on the list 23:27:32 <sparks> #action stickster On 2010-05-04 UTC 0001, build {S,}RPM, get it into Package CVS, build in koji, push to bodhi. 23:28:03 <sparks> rudi_: what's up with #4 and #5? 23:28:41 <rudi_> #4 -- I made a large post to docs-list a few days back 23:28:51 <rudi_> Tech demo is in place and live 23:29:26 <rudi_> Since the move to "Option 1" is already underway, I hope to implement "Option 1.5" for f13 23:29:33 <sparks> okay 23:29:44 <rudi_> In other words, using git to manage indexes generated by Publican 23:29:51 <sparks> cool 23:30:01 <rudi_> I've already got hosting for the menu and welcome page stuff 23:30:04 <rudi_> (thanks ke4qqq) 23:30:11 <rudi_> But haven't checked it in yet 23:30:22 <rudi_> I'd appreciate any feedback on the content of the welcome page 23:30:39 <rudi_> because if it's OK, I can then hand it off to get translated! 23:30:44 <sparks> Where is it? 23:30:57 <jjmcd> link in ml 23:31:21 <sparks> ml? 23:31:30 <jjmcd> mailing list 23:31:40 <sparks> Ah 23:31:43 <sparks> ok 23:31:53 <rudi_> http://publictest8.fedoraproject.org/fedoradocs/public_html/en-US/index.html 23:31:57 <sparks> rudi_: Did you get with laubersm? 23:32:11 <sparks> #link http://publictest8.fedoraproject.org/fedoradocs/public_html/en-US/index.html 23:32:30 <rudi_> She got with me; UG appears complete now and is in L10N 23:32:53 <sparks> #action stickster Fix Live image information and respond to thread pointing to next regular build on fp.o 23:33:06 <sparks> rudi_: Did you backport the IG? 23:33:18 <sparks> #action sparks to take the FAD @ SELF discussion to the Docs list 23:33:18 <rudi_> still underway; ETA 24-48 hrs 23:33:43 <sparks> #action rudi Backport IG material covering Anaconda UI revamp (ETA 24-48 hrs from today's meeting) 23:34:04 <sparks> #action ianweller to put together a "taskforce" to help give some love to the wiki 23:34:16 <sparks> Okay, anything else? 23:34:43 <sparks> #topic Schedule review 23:34:54 <sparks> #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-docs-tasks.html 23:35:04 <sparks> #info Release notes lines 43-48 23:35:12 <sparks> #info Guides line 6 23:35:23 <jjmcd> RelNotes is on track 23:35:25 <sparks> We are fourteen days away from release! 23:35:32 <sparks> jjmcd: +1 23:35:56 <sparks> Does anyone have a guide to be released for F13 that is not in the hands of L10N? 23:36:03 <XulWork> 16:35 <@fedbot> XulWork: 2 weeks, 5 days, 15 hours, 24 minutes, and 22 seconds 23:36:15 <XulWork> more like 20 days 23:36:29 <ke4qqq> sparks: yes 23:36:30 <sparks> Really? Oh, I bet it isn't updated on the schedule! 23:36:40 <ke4qqq> IQSG isn't it in l10n's hands 23:36:44 <sparks> No it is. 23:36:47 <sparks> Hmmm 23:36:51 <rudi_> IG and IQSG 23:36:55 <sparks> Okay, I must have looked at something wrong. 23:37:08 <sparks> what's going on with the IG and IQSG? 23:37:31 <rudi_> I'm backporting the Anaconda updates from the RHEL6 IG 23:37:40 <rudi_> There are massive changes 23:37:56 <sparks> :( 23:38:22 <rudi_> But like I said above, very nearly there now 23:38:40 <sparks> Okay 23:38:45 <ke4qqq> We think, from the IQSG those are mostly in place - but honestly haven't had a chance to read through it - Emad78 and bcotton have done the majority of the work. I think we may be lacking screenshots, which I think is part of rudi_'s work 23:39:01 <sparks> Okay... 23:39:07 <rudi_> Yeah, the problem is that those files need to be synced against the IG.... 23:39:16 <ke4qqq> yep 23:39:17 <rudi_> But anyway, I'm untangling the spaghetti... 23:39:34 <sparks> Anyone have anything else for the schedule? 23:40:07 <sparks> #topic Release Notes 23:40:21 <jjmcd> OK, POTs went out MOnday 23:40:28 <sparks> jjmcd: Is all the info on the agenda current? 23:40:43 <sparks> #info POTS went out Monday 23:40:45 <jjmcd> I did pick up on a bug from F10 I think that affects doc-publican-rpm 23:41:03 <jjmcd> but the poster had some code in the spec that he wanted that didn't work 23:41:17 <jjmcd> and hasn't yet responded to a request for more explanation 23:41:36 <jjmcd> Also, you hopefully have all read stickster's thread on closing the beats 23:41:52 <jjmcd> If nobody has any objections/suggestions, I'll go ahead and do that 23:42:05 <sparks> So the text in L10N's hands are frozen, correct? 23:42:09 <jjmcd> correct 23:42:29 <jjmcd> And we want corrections in BZ not on the wiki 23:42:32 <sparks> #link https://translate.fedoraproject.org/projects/p/docs-release-notes/c/f13/ 23:42:47 * sparks hopes for NO zero-day updates 23:43:01 <jjmcd> So, any comments on closing the beats? 23:43:26 <sparks> Go for it 23:43:28 <Emad78> I'll help if you want it. 23:43:44 <jjmcd> cool, I think I'll make a template so it will be easy 23:44:57 <jjmcd> sparks you want to #action it? 23:45:04 <sparks> jjmcd: go for it 23:45:18 <jjmcd> #action jjmcd to close beats 23:45:27 * sparks is pretty sure anyone can talk to zodbot 23:45:28 <jjmcd> I didn't notice you #char me 23:45:33 <jjmcd> Ahhh, OK 23:45:49 <sparks> Okay, anything else? 23:45:55 <jjmcd> I still need to spend some time with rudi 23:46:02 <sparks> after? 23:46:18 <jjmcd> I don't completely understand all he did with Tech Notes, but they are with L10N so that's what matters 23:46:28 <jjmcd> Yes, probably after today even 23:46:32 <sparks> ok 23:46:37 <sparks> move on? 23:46:44 <jjmcd> #eof on RN 23:46:50 <sparks> #topic Guide Status 23:47:17 <sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Guides 23:47:30 <sparks> I sent out a message earlier today asking for everyone to please update the guide. 23:48:04 <sparks> IG and IQSG are both still showing F13 23:48:18 <sparks> opps...IG and IQSG are both still showing F12 23:48:32 <rudi_> That's correct; that's the last complete version 23:48:59 <sparks> rudi_: But you'll have a version for F13? 23:49:06 <rudi_> Yes 23:49:30 <sparks> Okay, I interpret that F# as to the latest version in development not released. 23:49:36 <rudi_> Ah OK 23:49:40 <rudi_> I'll update 23:49:53 * sparks should probably make that clearer as it isn't now. 23:50:12 <rudi_> We should probably also change "Translated" to "In translation" 23:50:22 <sparks> Anyone know anything about the Deployment Guide? 23:50:25 <rudi_> Otherwise nothing there will *ever* say "Yes" :) 23:50:40 <rudi_> perspectival was working on the DG 23:50:48 <sparks> rudi_: True 23:50:58 <rudi_> I know there's been work towards an F13 version 23:51:12 <sparks> rudi_: Do you have a status on it or can you get one by next week? 23:51:28 <rudi_> I don't have a current status; but I will get one 23:51:49 <sparks> #action rudi_ to get a status on the Deployment Guide 23:51:52 <sparks> rudi_: Thank you 23:52:11 <sparks> rudi_: Anything on the SELinux guides from radsy? 23:52:13 <rudi_> NP, and sorry for the slowness from RH this cycle 23:52:29 <rudi_> Rasdsy is here today... let me look 23:52:43 <rudi_> Hmmm, but not in his chair :) 23:52:51 <sparks> jjmcd: Did you do the color code on that table? 23:52:51 <rudi_> I will get status on that too 23:52:54 <sparks> thanks 23:52:59 <jjmcd> no 23:53:01 <rudi_> I did 23:53:08 <jjmcd> and I haven't quite figured it out 23:53:12 <sparks> rudi_: That's right! Can you provide a key or something? 23:53:22 <rudi_> NP 23:53:38 <sparks> #action rudi_ to get status on SELinux Guides or, better yet, get radsy to a meeting 23:54:00 <sparks> Okay, anyone need any help with their guide? 23:54:28 <sparks> Anyone have anything else on this topic? 23:54:55 <sparks> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets 23:55:01 <sparks> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora%20Documentation&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED 23:55:30 <sparks> #info 86 open bugs 23:55:44 <sparks> #info 11 new bugs 23:55:47 <radsy> hello 23:55:53 <sparks> radsy: Hi! Give me a sec 23:56:39 <sparks> If you have time to work on bugs please do! If you need some help trying to get one fixed come on up on IRC and ask. 23:56:45 <sparks> Anyone have anything else on this? 23:57:02 <sparks> #topic Guide Status 23:57:20 <sparks> radsy: You have the SELinux Guides and the Wireless Guides. Can you give us a status, please? 23:58:00 <radsy> sparks, for all guides, it's mainly just a refresh for f13 23:58:21 <radsy> there are some gui updates for selinux which will be covered 23:58:42 <rudi_> (oh, and Managing Confined Services guide?) 23:58:45 <radsy> I plan to circle back heavily for F14 as RHEL is taking up a lot of time. 23:58:51 <sparks> Understood 23:59:03 <sparks> So what guides will you be releasing for F13? 23:59:30 <radsy> sparks, confined services, selinux user guide, security guide, wireless guide 23:59:46 <radsy> can i get a reminder of GA deadline? 00:00:27 <sparks> 18 May 00:00:32 <radsy> easy :) 00:00:39 <sparks> so the day before to get everything pushed to docs.fp.o 00:01:04 <radsy> day before = the only way to fly 00:01:41 <sparks> :) 00:01:44 <radsy> also, I have sponsored probably 5 people for contribs, but no appearances on irc :( 00:01:53 <sparks> :( 00:02:29 <radsy> so I am leaving translation folk out in the cold a little, but it's going to be a close call for GA 00:02:32 <sparks> I'm working with Gearoid with the Accessibility Guide. As soon as he gets up to speed with Publican I'm going to let him run with it. 00:02:49 <sparks> radsy: Isn't some of it already translated? 00:03:08 <radsy> sparks, yes a few 00:03:13 <sparks> Okay 00:03:23 <sparks> Anyone have anything else on this topic? 00:03:56 <sparks> #topic Everything else 00:04:08 <sparks> Okay, anyone have anything else before we secure for the evening? 00:04:48 <sparks> Well, thanks everyone for coming out tonight. 00:05:11 <sparks> We'll meet up in #fedora-docs for drinks afterwards. 00:05:18 <sparks> Last call... anyone else? 00:05:49 <sparks> Okay, thanks everyone 00:05:53 <sparks> #endmeeting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJL2M4xAAoJEDbiLlqcYamx3uQP/1ILR1f3MsXhgZOD/GbtkZ5I AxLgMFDKvZ9qA6zQYUtaGftYwJ5FfyG0hXn60396uin9RdGvp5Xbq1GMQtwBIUI9 TI2PcADdk3+1hmSz8OVHg7IHZnHUU6+44AeQWy3Yj3ZCcOLx5v2tQjH8PHSZRxT/ OSXUVbScGSK1d9FGrn0e67YMZtooz+ZPaq0972gK8KkAPVvxJ8+WPVSDNKzTx1ft WMfmnulDshlFtKqFqISzT/JAtRz7eQ5OBIhO3eXr8Q1ZZiIraYHzXmOPtfm9z4pR CCW0LpeuAWQPEwUMNK/7CExkuHMNajUgWQ39nFbbM90jUFamfm7SKbdKBVVgpha9 2ifmXYnpbNb/3jnmd55wcgf1cfMO+U0fiRFhKaJY46aFfrqaYokRlU8KxjeZsbO0 G7Ipb4BRQ1TTTfsLCljlkuAlXuuZDjMLDULLXqBhpONlKHKf2yHAMNi3qD9245MV 50/zvhOms4jygGH2uzWTvnaVjDnhzwYo5qF6HXRZKcpgysgUJoNOcRgrFGeKu2DV P/m1qz1P0xM9RFKUEC6zf6A5ocsUsaT+SB94KqM92vfwTjl5wFqdeuDn09HgKSYl Bn5rsuAp4mU346PDt397/FYBrKRxMNyDtPLfw1zhvXm1PsvPTaHFio+wLzN7gcpe 1aqb86jz9wGKPoMKdhvI =bS4F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- docs mailing list docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/docs
