23:00:37 <stickster> #startmeeting Fedora Docs 23:00:38 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Apr 7 23:00:37 2010 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 23:00:40 <stickster> #meetingname Fedora Docs 23:00:40 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 23:00:42 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 23:00:43 <stickster> #chair jjmcd 23:00:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: jjmcd stickster 23:01:02 <jjmcd> good evening all 23:01:07 <jjmcd> #topic roll call 23:01:11 * nathant 23:01:14 * stickster 23:01:15 * jjmcd 23:01:56 <jjmcd> wow - short list tonight 23:01:59 * ke4qqq is here 23:02:05 <ke4qqq> a moment or two late 23:02:35 <jjmcd> Lets give it another minute 23:02:59 * jsmith is here... at least for a few minutes 23:03:07 <jjmcd> Alright, a few more 23:03:08 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings <-- Agenda 23:03:23 <jjmcd> Oh yeah, sorry forgot that 23:03:32 <jjmcd> #topic schecule review 23:03:46 <jjmcd> #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-docs-tasks.html 23:04:27 <jjmcd> No real changes on release notes, how are guides coming? 23:04:29 <stickster> Next things up -- Project-wide final relnotes deadline reminder -- tomorrow 23:04:54 <jjmcd> yep 23:04:54 <stickster> jjmcd: You're doing the deadline reminder, right? 23:04:59 <jjmcd> Correct 23:05:19 <jjmcd> Are POTs getting built for guides? 23:05:20 <stickster> We have doc builds already being posted regularly 23:05:38 <stickster> Oh, that may be a rudi question -- I know that he posted to L10n and generally people agreed that twice a weeks was good 23:05:39 <jjmcd> Looks like L10N agrees with Mon/Thu for POTs 23:05:51 <rudi> +1 -- L10N likes Mon/Thurs 23:06:30 <stickster> #action jjmcd Send deadline reminder on 2010-04-08 to devel-announce@, and other lists re: relnotes deadline on 2010-04-19 23:06:53 <jjmcd> rudi, how are the POTs plumbed to tfx? 23:07:46 <jjmcd> Simply push to git or is there more to it? 23:07:54 <rudi> jjmcd -- basically, delete the en-US and POT folders from the F13 branch; then 23:07:57 <noriko> Mon/Thu would be fine. 23:08:07 <rudi> copy the en-US folder from the master branch to the f13 branch 23:08:18 <rudi> then run update_pot and update_po in the f13 branch 23:08:27 <rudi> I should document that on the Wiki :) 23:08:31 <stickster> :-) 23:08:44 <jjmcd> OK, so I will go ahead and script that for release notes, but we still need to deal with the guides 23:08:57 <rudi> jjmcd -- stand by for the guides 23:09:34 <rudi> Some are ready now, some are nearly ready, and some are still a way off and may not get translated prior to GA 23:10:02 <jjmcd> Ok, lets see if folks need help when we get there on the agenda 23:10:07 <rudi> Yep 23:10:09 <jjmcd> anything else on the schedule? 23:10:37 <jjmcd> OK, moving on 23:10:42 <stickster> wait 23:10:51 * stickster comes back, sorry 23:11:14 <stickster> We have Freeze of the wiki on 2010-04-19, last POT files in by 2010-04-26 23:11:40 <jjmcd> Right, that's what my calendar says, too 23:11:49 <stickster> #info wiki freeze 2010-04-19 23:11:57 <stickster> #info Last POT files for relnotes 2010-04-26 23:12:08 <jjmcd> good catch - I forget that bot 23:12:09 <stickster> So between those two dates we need to have all the wiki changes in the beats ported in 23:12:21 <jjmcd> correct 23:12:25 <stickster> Cool, that was it 23:12:31 <stickster> Just wanted to note for the... uh, notes :-) 23:12:33 <jjmcd> OK, anything else? 23:13:13 <stickster> Nope 23:13:17 <jjmcd> #topic Action items from last week 23:13:23 <jjmcd> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-03-31/fedora_docs.2010-03-31-23.05.html 23:13:37 * stickster action items complete, except pre-porting party training session reminder 23:13:57 <jjmcd> OK, I'm behind on most of mine. But dates slid a week 23:14:31 <jjmcd> I saw ke4qqq working with laubersm and others this week, any comments? 23:15:06 <ke4qqq> lots of people did chapters on UG 23:15:13 <jjmcd> Oh, one item from me. README is badly out of date and I need to bend the ear of someone smarter than I to update it 23:15:52 <stickster> I did a chapter! 23:16:07 <jjmcd> We already talked about POT scheme, rudi did you make any headway on KDE? 23:16:12 <stickster> jjmcd: I can look at that tonight. 23:16:24 <jjmcd> *that* ? 23:16:32 * laubersm is back... 23:16:36 <rudi> jjmcd -- not yet; Still trying to get F13 to actiually install for me... 23:16:50 * laubersm wonders if stickster finished the chapter, seeing as the wiki does not reflect it is done 23:16:54 <rudi> Once I manage that; verification should be easy :) 23:16:59 <rudi> Hopefully today :) 23:17:20 <stickster> laubersm: I did 23:17:31 <jjmcd> Looks like the choice for KDE is alpha. Seems like KDE beta is a rollyour own deal 23:18:11 <stickster> jjmcd: Actually: http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/kde/ 23:18:18 <stickster> Just pull the latest nightly compose. 23:18:25 * jjmcd never caught the kde 23:18:40 <jjmcd> But today I've been working on FC6 (!) 23:18:42 <laubersm> I have a KDE live usb - one of the beta RC but not the most current 23:18:51 <jjmcd> OK, cool 23:18:53 <stickster> Was that all our action items, jjmcd? 23:18:57 <rudi> Thanks stickster 23:19:09 <jjmcd> stickster, you fixed the &PRODUCT; ? 23:19:21 <stickster> jjmcd: Well... I found one more uncorrected one just now 23:19:34 <stickster> fixed in master 23:19:36 <rudi> jjmcd -- Oh, I have some typos to fix in the RN before you refresh 23:20:00 <jjmcd> OK, also, infra just made the technical-notes repo, I'm struggling with that first commit, but most of that is in hand 23:20:09 <stickster> jjmcd: Are we finished with action items? 23:20:22 <jjmcd> I think so 23:20:25 <stickster> #topic Release Notes 23:20:44 <jjmcd> L10N status 23:20:48 <jjmcd> #link https://translate.fedoraproject.org/projects/p/docs-release-notes/c/f13/ 23:21:06 <jjmcd> Looks like we have a couple more languages done and a couple more very close 23:21:14 <jjmcd> L10N rocks! 23:21:58 <jjmcd> The current challenge is I need previous version of Publican for release notes proper, current version for technical notes 23:22:00 <stickster> #info 7 languages at 100%, 2 more > 80%, 6 more > 30% 23:22:20 <stickster> jjmcd: What's going on with Publican and the release notes "proper"? 23:22:29 <stickster> And what's the difference? 23:22:44 <jjmcd> Latest Publican has an undesireable feature 23:22:47 <jjmcd> Drops the TOC 23:22:51 <stickster> Which is? 23:22:53 <stickster> eew 23:22:55 <stickster> Is that an option we can turn on? 23:22:56 <jjmcd> But fixes some issues with big tables 23:22:59 <rudi> jjmcd -- I'll have a fix for you today 23:23:04 <jjmcd> According to rudi yes 23:23:08 <rudi> stickster -- yeah 23:23:08 <stickster> coolio! 23:23:28 <jjmcd> Right now I'm flipping between rpms :-) 23:23:44 <jjmcd> OK, anything else on release notes? 23:24:15 <stickster> It seems like we're pretty much on track, yeah? 23:24:21 <jjmcd> I think so 23:24:35 <jjmcd> I don't think we will have an overwhelming amount to port 23:24:39 * stickster is comparing the rocky road that was F11/F12 to now... so much easier with the Publican/Tx interface working properly! 23:24:51 <jjmcd> ABSOLUTELY 23:25:04 <stickster> We should totally thank ricky, glezos, diegobz, juhp and others for that. 23:25:15 <stickster> By setting up the new Tx they made things *SO* much easier for everyone. 23:25:33 <jjmcd> stickster, perhaps you, me and sparks should organize dueling blogs 23:25:46 <stickster> jjmcd: right on! 23:26:06 <jjmcd> It really is a pleasure now 23:26:06 <stickster> #action stickster jjmcd sparks Create blogs to thank the folks who worked on the rollout of new Transifex 23:26:19 <jjmcd> and without all the merging, I can appreciate the new publican speed, too 23:26:47 <jjmcd> OK, anything else on release notes? 23:27:09 <stickster> nada 23:27:13 <jjmcd> #topic Guide status 23:27:34 <jjmcd> Anyone with info on live images? 23:27:39 <nathant> yup 23:27:47 <nathant> it's updated and branched 23:27:52 <nathant> translations coming in 23:28:00 <nathant> should I start doing builds yet? 23:28:03 <jjmcd> way cool, thanks nathant 23:28:13 <rudi> nathant -- absolutely 23:28:13 <jjmcd> Yes, probably not a bad plan 23:28:23 <jjmcd> Did my wiki page on building make any sense? 23:28:26 * nathant adds to his to-do list 23:28:41 <nathant> jjmcd: yes -great help, thanks! 23:28:51 <stickster> nathant: Nicely done sir! 23:29:05 <nathant> though for the time being it's just mon and thurs, right? 23:29:07 <jjmcd> I always wonder whether anyone can fathom what I'm saying! 23:29:29 <stickster> That's because it's so deep. (*bucket o fish!*) 23:29:36 <jjmcd> nathant, we've been building every night, POTs mon/thu 23:29:46 <nathant> oh, ok! 23:30:13 <jjmcd> Once rudi wikis the POT process that sounds like a piece of cake 23:30:21 <nathant> there'll be a few nights when a build won't get done 23:30:33 <nathant> i'll be away 23:30:46 <jjmcd> cron is your friend 23:31:11 * jjmcd is real good buddies with him 23:31:17 <nathant> wouldn't that mean leaving my machine switched on for days on end? 23:31:35 <jjmcd> nathant, yeah, which you might not be inclined to do 23:31:53 <nathant> just thinking about the electricity 23:31:57 <jjmcd> yep 23:32:11 <jjmcd> especially with these gigihertz, multi-core monsters 23:32:14 <stickster> In the future we could request a publictest* system from the infrastructure guys for that purpose. 23:32:47 <jjmcd> We should think about that for 14. It is a lot of crunching, umpteen guides times a bazillion languages 23:32:50 <stickster> Yup. 23:33:14 <stickster> #idea Request a publictest system from Infrastructure in F14 for release notes building. Add this to the schedule pre-Alpha! 23:33:22 <stickster> I'll talk to poelcat about that. 23:33:35 <jjmcd> Anything else on guides? Anyone need any help? 23:33:38 <laubersm> UG is under control (thanks to the beta slip). Just a couple of items... 23:33:41 <laubersm> I'm not quite done with my part so I cannot complain that I am also waiting on rudi 23:33:48 <laubersm> ogh wait I just did :) 23:33:59 <ke4qqq> IQSG is doing well thanks to bcotton and emad78 23:33:59 <laubersm> There are 2 items in the todo for this month (not this week) 23:34:05 <rudi> lolz -- have the new nightly compose coming down the pipes right now 23:34:06 <stickster> jjmcd: nathant: By the way, I can provide a host here at my house if needed. I have a humongous powerhouse machine that's on 24/7 here. 23:34:06 <ke4qqq> they've plowed through a ton of work 23:34:23 <stickster> rudi: nice! 23:34:26 <laubersm> luigi needs some help with the new Netowrking chapter and there is an open request for a printing chapter 23:34:37 <jjmcd> It is really great to see bcotton, nathant, emad78 diving in 23:34:48 <nathant> stickster: what would I need to do to set that up? 23:34:51 <stickster> bcotton, nathant, Emad78: APPLAUSE! 23:34:58 * nathant blushes 23:35:00 <laubersm> also lewis14 23:35:02 <stickster> nathant: Just ask -- get with me in #fedora-docs after this and we'll set it up 23:35:12 <nathant> stickster: ok 23:35:22 <jjmcd> yes laubersm he seems to be around when I'm asleep so I forget him 23:35:39 <jjmcd> uitstekend! 23:36:05 <jjmcd> Any more on guides? 23:36:30 <stickster> Lots of new Anaconda screens for IG/IQSG I noticed... 23:36:52 <ke4qqq> yep 23:37:21 <laubersm> stickster, since you know the big picture... where is artwork on backgrounds? 23:37:30 <laubersm> in the past they had a diff one for beta than for alpha 23:37:41 <laubersm> but I was looking at their pages and I am not as sure it is going to change 23:37:56 * laubersm has a todo item to figure out when to refresh the UG screenshots 23:38:20 <stickster> laubersm: A new version was just created by a new designer 23:38:31 <stickster> laubersm: And it's pretty sweet, so it may be landing slightly post-Beta 23:38:47 <stickster> laubersm: You might want to drop a note to the design-team@ list to ask about this. 23:38:47 <laubersm> ok, thanks stickster 23:39:05 <stickster> #action laubersm Write note to design-team@ list to ask about refresh of wallpaper due to UG screenshots 23:39:05 <laubersm> I'll continue with my plan to contact the team here at some point 23:39:12 <jjmcd> Perhaps mo could provide you with the image for docs 23:39:46 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_Artwork#Concepts.2C_WIP_Designs <-- look at the last (bottom right) entry 23:40:06 <jjmcd> I kinda like the klingon artwork on alpha 23:40:13 <stickster> :-) 23:40:41 <jjmcd> Anything else on guides (I sound like a broken record) 23:40:59 <jjmcd> #topic Beta Announcement 23:41:02 <jjmcd> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_Beta_announcement 23:41:47 <jjmcd> Looks like we need some feature prose 23:41:51 <laubersm> I like the rocket squid by itself but thinkk the rocket trails is a better background 23:41:54 <stickster> This is a paste of Ryan's draft -- which was on time in the original schedule, and is now early 23:42:14 <stickster> #info Ryan is planning to work on some content, but will need help moving in other important stuff from release notes 23:42:39 <jjmcd> What timezone is Ryan on? 23:42:53 <ke4qqq> jjmcd: effectively pacific 23:43:51 <jjmcd> is he on channel with any frequency? 23:44:03 <ke4qqq> he' in -mktg all the time 23:44:09 <ke4qqq> or at least it seems that way 23:44:17 <stickster> He's here too, rrix 23:44:22 <ke4qqq> ahhh ok 23:44:50 <jjmcd> I guess we only have a few days 23:45:14 <stickster> jjmcd: The release notes stuff is in pretty good shape at this point -- we should take that time to bring some content from there into the announcement page to help Ryan out. 23:45:16 <laubersm> next readiness meeting is later tonight isn't it? 23:45:32 <stickster> laubersm: Yes, 0000 UTC (8:00pm Eastern) 23:45:37 <laubersm> the RC test cases were not looking that great this afternoon.... 23:45:52 <stickster> That's not good. RC5 was supposed to fix a bunch of late problems. 23:46:29 <laubersm> honestly, I just still saw some red and bug numbers but didn't look to see the detaisl 23:46:39 <laubersm> they may not be blockers 23:46:56 * jjmcd can try to help rrix but I have some drama going on downstate, afraid I might get pulled away 23:47:38 <ke4qqq> if necessary I can work with rrix to get something ready 23:47:47 <ke4qqq> if jjmcd is pulled away 23:47:49 <stickster> ke4qqq: You sure? WIth the other guide stuff going on? 23:48:07 <ke4qqq> yeah iqsg is almost done (and others are doing the heavy lifting 23:48:10 <stickster> I'll try to help too 23:48:19 <jjmcd> ke4qqq, spent last day and a half onna fone with DECs, ECs, government types, section types, just awful 23:48:19 <ke4qqq> ig is (I think) still waiting on rudi to do a mass import 23:48:28 <stickster> #action ke4qqq stickster Get some release notes content into [[F13 Beta announcement]] page to help rrix 23:48:35 <stickster> ke4qqq: Ah 23:48:39 <rudi> Yeah, IG and IQSG 23:48:42 <ke4qqq> jjmcd: speaking as a former aec any conversation with them is awful :) 23:48:50 <jjmcd> hehe 23:48:54 <stickster> OK, OT guys -- let's finish the meeting :-) 23:49:01 * stickster has to vamoose at 20:00 for the release meeting 23:49:04 <jjmcd> Moving on 23:49:14 <jjmcd> #topic Outstanding BZ tickets 23:49:20 * laubersm hears the sound of whips cracking and an echo echo echo 23:49:24 <jjmcd> Anyone have any issues they need help on 23:49:37 <jjmcd> stickster, actually, I think we are on track 23:49:46 <jjmcd> We'll get kicked out then anyway 23:49:46 <stickster> #link http://is.gd/bjdwP 23:49:52 <stickster> Oh, true dat! 23:50:37 <jjmcd> Anyone need help with bugs? 23:51:23 <jjmcd> rudi, re: #544656, installed RNs now have a <noscript> section too 23:51:53 <jjmcd> ANything else on bugs? 23:52:05 <laubersm> .bug 508025 23:52:07 <zodbot> laubersm: Bug 508025 User Guide needs a chapter on printing - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508025 23:52:21 <laubersm> I am not likely to have time for this for F13. 23:52:42 * jjmcd is fighting with printing himself, could use the guide 23:52:47 <laubersm> I'll add it to the F14 plan unless someone else wants to pick it up and complete it in the next couple of weeks 23:53:06 <laubersm> It can be dropped into translation as a unit when it is ready 23:53:19 <stickster> #info We need someone to handle https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508025 -- create a printing chapter for the User Guide 23:53:39 * stickster wonders... is that duplicated at all in the Deployment Guide or other content? Maybe rudi knows. 23:53:46 * stickster goes to check F12 version. 23:53:50 <ke4qqq> wonder if one of our new volunteers would like that if it isn't duplicated 23:54:02 <rudi> If so, it might be quite out of date... 23:54:07 <jjmcd> Or even if it is, it will need updating 23:54:10 <rudi> Yeah 23:54:14 <jjmcd> yeah what he said 23:54:16 <nathant> I could do a bit on usb printers 23:54:26 <nathant> need a guide myself for network printers 23:54:27 <stickster> Deployment Guide: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/deployment-guide/f12/en-US/html/ch-printing.html 23:54:35 <laubersm> If it is in detail elsewhere, an overview and a link can (and should) still be added to UG 23:54:52 <rudi> laubersm +1 23:55:04 * jjmcd uses tons of samba/jetprint stuff, but it often doesn't work and when it doesn't it's a mystery 23:55:08 <stickster> Yeah, from the user side it's supposed to get super-easy in F13. 23:55:16 <stickster> Plug it in, driver install if needed, print. 23:55:26 <laubersm> thanks stickster - and that needs updating anyways. F13 feature of auto add driver at the least 23:55:30 <stickster> yup 23:56:22 <jjmcd> OK, only 4 minutes for next topic, is that it on bugs? 23:56:31 <jjmcd> #topic All other business 23:56:53 * jjmcd is always startled when zodpot types right after me 23:56:55 <stickster> nada here 23:57:07 * laubersm notes that having this meeting when the sun is still up is odd. 23:57:13 <jjmcd> I think that's all I have 23:57:27 <jjmcd> laubersm, you should be up here as we rapidly head for the midnight sun 23:57:28 <nathant> speak for your own timezone 23:57:42 <laubersm> :) 23:57:53 <nathant> :) 23:57:58 <jjmcd> OK, anything else for the group assembled 23:58:12 <jjmcd> 10 23:58:20 <jjmcd> 9 23:58:25 <jjmcd> 8 23:58:32 <jjmcd> 7 these are way slower than a second 23:58:32 <laubersm> 12 23:58:35 <jjmcd> ? 23:58:42 <jjmcd> 10/2 23:58:45 <jjmcd> 4 23:58:52 <jjmcd> 3 23:58:56 <jjmcd> 2 23:58:59 <jjmcd> 1 23:59:10 <jjmcd> Thanks everyone for coming and for all your hard work 23:59:16 <jjmcd> #endmeeting -- docs mailing list docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/docs
