-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 00:00:44 <Sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 00:00:44 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 5 00:00:44 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:00:44 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:01:18 <Sparks> #topic Roll Call 00:01:20 * Sparks 00:01:26 * jjmcd . 00:01:26 * rudi is here 00:03:02 <jjmcd> Wow ... where are all the troublemakers and ne'er do wells? 00:03:44 <Sparks> jjmcd: That's just what I was thinking 00:04:04 <jjmcd> prolly missed the time change 00:04:26 <Sparks> jjmcd: Yeah, it's going to be a little annoying for a couple of weeks 00:04:41 <Sparks> Okay, let's get started as we have a lot to cover... 00:04:50 <Sparks> #topic Old Business 00:04:51 <jjmcd> Well, MITN moved to 6 on account of conditions so no conflict there 00:05:02 <Sparks> Sparks to follow up with quaid to check on courtesy note to previous contributors 00:05:17 <Sparks> ^^^ done and I'll follow up on this during the CC discussion 00:05:29 <Sparks> #topic Release Announcement 00:05:39 <Sparks> To be ready no later than November 10. 00:06:05 <Sparks> We need to get with Marketting on this and make sure that everyone is on the same page. 00:06:26 <jjmcd> who is mktg contact? 00:06:32 <Sparks> Can I get a volunteer to work with Marketting to make sure everything good? 00:06:43 <Sparks> jjmcd: I think mchua_afk 00:06:50 <Sparks> But I don't know 00:07:23 <Sparks> Anyone? 00:07:52 * jjmcd is concerned about zero day RN issues overlapping with reporting time of month which is normally bad 00:08:07 <Sparks> Ya 00:08:17 <Sparks> Okay, I'll put the word out on the list. 00:08:32 <Sparks> #action Follow up with mktg on the Release Announcement. 00:08:49 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status - Release Notes 00:08:56 <Sparks> jjmcd: What's the latest? 00:09:05 <jjmcd> Let me relate what went on 00:09:09 <jjmcd> it was a disaster 00:09:24 <jjmcd> Asyou know our schedule had us building the rpm a week after it was needed 00:09:45 <jjmcd> When I first tried to build it, I had a terrible time with the omfs, not sure why 00:10:04 <jjmcd> even now, there is a lot of weirdness about bits of the omfs being translated and others not 00:10:25 <jjmcd> haven't yet sorted out what is causing that -- right now there appears to be no pattern 00:10:58 <jjmcd> Once I got the omfs to work, yelp would crash 2-5 minutes after opening the rn's whether you were looking around or not 00:11:30 <jjmcd> Eventually concluded yelp has some sort of size limitation, so I replaced the tables with a link to docs.fp.o 00:11:51 <jjmcd> Also, stupid publican doesn't make the index for xml, just says "index belongs here" essentially 00:12:18 <jjmcd> and at one point, all the xml's had a note saying they were empty. Don't know where that came from or why it went away 00:12:54 <jjmcd> Anyway, eventually got the help to work, but when you go to about-fedora directly from the menu, as opposed to from help, it isn't formatted properly 00:13:30 <jjmcd> Interestingly, the publican produced xml is kind of screwed up, but help seems to deal with it. Fixing the screw ups, tho, doesn't change anything 00:14:01 <jjmcd> Anyway, as you know, we encountered pub 1.0 on koji, so we worked around it by runing publican outside of rpmbuild 00:14:26 <jjmcd> We will need to do that for zero day, too. Really not much of a problem except when you discover it an hour before you need the rpm! 00:14:36 <jjmcd> So, that;s where we are. Any questions? 00:14:59 <Sparks> So many with so little time. 00:15:15 <jjmcd> that was last night! 00:15:30 <Sparks> But the package got built in koji and we lived happily ever after... until zero day... right? 00:15:36 <jjmcd> right 00:15:48 <jjmcd> Not everything we wanted 00:16:14 <jjmcd> tables are linked to instead of there, a-f from menu screwy, and help titles partly translated 00:16:22 <Sparks> Okay, but everything is on target for the release day, correct? 00:16:28 <jjmcd> correct 00:16:34 <Sparks> Okay... moving on! :) 00:16:36 <jjmcd> We will fiz what we can on zero day 00:16:51 <jjmcd> But we won't try the make inside rombuild until next rel 00:17:02 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status - Installation Guide 00:17:29 <Sparks> rudi: I guess you are up. Is the Installation Guide ready for prime time? 00:17:51 <rudi> Good to go 00:18:13 <Sparks> Excellent. 00:18:25 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status - Installation Quick Start Guide 00:18:33 <Sparks> jjmcd: And I'm guessing this is ready as well? 00:18:38 <Sparks> rudi: And I'm guessing this is ready as well? 00:18:55 * jjmcd has no idea about iqsg 00:18:55 <rudi> Yep :) 00:19:15 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status - Deployment Guide 00:19:38 <Sparks> I don't think the lead is on tonight for the Deployment Guide. 00:19:49 <Sparks> Is that up on docs.fp.o? 00:19:59 <rudi> Yeah -- it's up there 00:20:27 <Sparks> Yeah, just checked. In English... 00:20:34 <jjmcd> rudi, were you going to have the redirect pages ready for release? 00:20:51 <rudi> jjmcd -- yeah, I will 00:21:06 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status - User Guide 00:21:07 <rudi> I started that last week and ended up toasting my entire local copy of the site ;) 00:21:15 <Sparks> rudi: Yikes! 00:21:23 <jjmcd> don't you just love that 00:21:26 <Sparks> danielsmw: You here tonight? 00:22:08 <Sparks> Hmmm... Well I see it on the docs.fp.o for F12... 00:22:12 <rudi> Yeah -- I got bit because I forgot that different docs have entirely different directory structures :) 00:22:12 <Sparks> I'll take that as a good sign. 00:22:26 <Sparks> rudi: We need to remedy that. 00:22:43 <jjmcd> We need to be sure we don't do that on zikula 00:22:47 <Sparks> yes 00:22:54 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status - 00:22:57 <jjmcd> Fixing it in cvs will be a major pita 00:23:00 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status - SELinux User Guide 00:23:15 <Sparks> radsy: What say you on your SELinux guide(s)? 00:23:16 <rudi> jjmcd -- yeah; I am *not* going to volunteer for that job :) 00:23:44 <radsy> Sparks, services guide didn't get an update for f12 00:23:54 <Sparks> radsy: Did it need an update? 00:24:05 <radsy> no, it's all still accurate/recent 00:24:11 <Sparks> I'm good with that. 00:24:29 <Sparks> rudi: Can you make sure that the F12 docs include radsy's guides on SELinux? 00:24:36 <radsy> i've been doing the wireless guide, and might be branching into desktop documentation, so i'm likely to be in and out a bit. 00:24:57 <Sparks> radsy: No problem. Just let us know where we can help! 00:25:10 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status - Security Guide 00:25:31 <rudi> Sparks -- will do 00:25:33 <Sparks> Very little changed from F11 to F12 in this guide. I have started working on improvements for F13, though. 00:25:37 <Sparks> rudi: Thank you 00:25:50 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status - Virtualization Guide 00:26:00 <Sparks> Tsagadai: You here tonight? 00:26:20 <Tsagadai> sure am 00:26:34 <Sparks> Tsagadai: Got an update on your Virtualization Guide? 00:26:42 <Tsagadai> I've been preoccupied with the RHEV release :) 00:27:02 <Tsagadai> but, there are a lot of updates coming very shortly (hopefully this week) 00:27:22 <Sparks> Tsagadai: But it's ready for F12, correct? 00:27:34 <Tsagadai> ready in a sense 00:27:50 <Sparks> Well okay then! :) 00:28:24 <Sparks> Tsagadai: Thanks for the update. Let us know if any assistance is needed. 00:28:42 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status - Fedora Live Images 00:28:51 <Sparks> I see this is on the website... 00:28:55 <Sparks> rudi: Is this yours? 00:29:09 <rudi> Not officially, no 00:29:21 <rudi> But since no-one else was tending it, I've been looking after it :) 00:29:21 <Sparks> rudi: Are any of them officially yours? :) 00:29:32 <rudi> lolz IG and IQSG :) 00:29:48 <Sparks> rudi: Ya... Another one of those that is on my rescue list. Thanks for picking it up. 00:30:01 <Sparks> rudi: So it's out there for F12 so that's good 00:30:06 <rudi> And yes, it's ready to go :) 00:30:15 <Sparks> Excellent! 00:30:23 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status - Making Fedora Discs 00:30:31 <Sparks> rudi: And this one is also ready to go! 00:30:36 <rudi> Yeah 00:30:44 <Sparks> Excellent. 00:30:57 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status - Accessibility Guide 00:31:03 <Sparks> And this is one that I picked up... 00:31:26 <Sparks> It needs work. It was very well written years ago but some of the information is dated and there are new solutions available now. 00:31:54 <Sparks> So I've been working on a reorganization with the help of rudi fact checking the existing information. 00:32:16 <Sparks> I don't think it will be ready before F12 but it will be available somewhere between F12 and F13 for sure. 00:32:31 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status - Overall Picture 00:33:03 <Sparks> I just want to take a second and say thank you to everyone that contributed to the many guides we have. 00:33:25 <Sparks> Without the Accessibility Guide, we will have nine guides going to "press" for F12! 00:33:30 <Sparks> That is outstanding! 00:33:49 <jjmcd> We should have a Docs press release alongside the F12 press release 00:34:00 <Sparks> We should! 00:34:04 <quaid> +1 00:34:18 <Sparks> I'll have to go back in my notes but I think we shipped maybe five guides last release. 00:34:19 <jjmcd> hey! there is life in kalifornia 00:34:27 * quaid blames tardiness on daylight savings 00:34:29 * ianweller is here 00:34:52 <Sparks> #topic New Guides 00:35:01 <Sparks> radsy: You want to talk about your new projects? 00:36:38 <rudi> radsy is AFK 00:36:42 <Sparks> Okay 00:36:58 <Sparks> Well, I'll let him tell the tale. 00:37:46 <Sparks> Anything else guide-related? 00:38:20 <Sparks> #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) 00:38:29 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status 00:39:20 <Sparks> I think danielsmw finished packaging one of the editors. 00:39:42 <Sparks> Does anyone else have any other items on this? 00:40:20 <Sparks> Okay, moving on! 00:40:27 <Sparks> #topic Status on CC license rollout. 00:40:41 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule 00:41:02 <Sparks> So I think we are ready to officially announce the change to CC-BY-SA! 00:42:16 <Sparks> ianweller: You gonna do the announcement? 00:42:51 <ianweller> suuuuuuure 00:43:13 <ianweller> Sparks: everything's done? 00:43:28 <Sparks> ianweller: AFAIK 00:43:34 <radsy> back 00:43:42 <Sparks> quaid: Any other obsticles that you know of? 00:43:42 <ianweller> front 00:43:50 <quaid> nope 00:43:52 <jjmcd> right 00:43:55 <quaid> all clear! 00:44:00 <Sparks> Guides have been regenerated... wiki has been changed 00:44:14 <jjmcd> Guides now all in rpm as well? 00:44:29 <Sparks> I think spot has given us the go ahead. 00:44:41 * quaid . o O { The final pieces of The Master Plan are coming together! } 00:44:41 <ianweller> i'll make the announcement after the meeting then 00:44:47 <ianweller> lemee go double check where it is 00:44:48 <quaid> oops, did I think that outloud? 00:44:50 <Sparks> jjmcd: The only guides in RPM are f-r-n and the Security Guide and I did the Security Guide the other day 00:44:54 <ianweller> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release ? 00:45:17 <ianweller> anybody have any qualms about what we're sending out 00:45:50 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release 00:45:55 <jjmcd> oh my gosh! You're going to send out THAT? 00:46:16 <Sparks> jjmcd: Yeah, except we are going to put your name on it. 00:46:24 <jjmcd> oh, ok 00:46:40 <Sparks> ianweller: Do we (you) need to talk with the CC folks directly about this so they can do something if they wish? 00:46:57 <ianweller> lovin the we (you) 00:47:04 <ianweller> Sparks: i'll ping mlinksvayer 00:47:08 <Sparks> ianweller: You are my resident CC guy 00:47:13 <Sparks> ianweller: Cool 00:47:17 * Sparks is excited! 00:47:24 <ianweller> and he *just* quit IRC 00:47:26 <ianweller> lulz 00:47:26 <quaid> did that go through 00:47:42 <quaid> the *new" press release mojo of f-marketing-l? 00:47:54 * quaid mixes his ASCII markup 00:48:05 <ianweller> quaid: yeah mchua_afk looked at it 00:48:17 <Sparks> So I'll mark 8 complete 00:48:19 <ianweller> snazzed it up 00:49:52 <ianweller> oh 00:49:53 <Sparks> So is everyone a go for the license change? Any issues we haven't thought of? 00:50:13 <ianweller> also note that mlinksva offered to provide a quote for the press release (i just reread the email he sent me a few months back) 00:50:21 <ianweller> if we wanna do that? 00:50:24 <jjmcd> I only changed the omf's for those languages we are shipping 00:50:27 <quaid> +1 00:50:27 <Sparks> ianweller: Sure if you want. 00:50:42 <ianweller> we'll do that, and then push the PR through all the relevant tubez 00:50:51 <jjmcd> There may be other omf footprints hidden in f-r-n, about-fedora and others 00:51:00 <jjmcd> errr OPL footprints 00:51:28 <Sparks> jjmcd: Okay. I'm sure we'll need to shake out a few here and there. 00:51:33 <jjmcd> yeah 00:51:40 <jjmcd> I was surprised to find that there last night 00:52:03 <quaid> yeah, it's not going to kill us 00:52:15 <quaid> if we have to take some bug reports and fix some packages after release 00:52:21 <quaid> the intention is clear and our there, that counts a lot 00:52:25 <jjmcd> You only find it if you go rummaging around in /usr/share/gnome as far as I can tell 00:53:27 <Sparks> Okay, anything else on this topic? 00:53:53 <Sparks> #action ianweller to get a quote from mlinksva (CC) to include in the press release 00:54:10 <Sparks> #action ianweller to ship the press release to all the necessary tubez 00:54:22 <Sparks> ianweller: When do you think this will occur? 00:54:27 <ianweller> "soon" 00:54:36 <ianweller> announcement tonight, maybe a quote back from mlinksva by tomorrow 00:54:37 <Sparks> Before the end of the year? 00:54:37 <ianweller> who knows 00:54:44 <ianweller> then i'll ask mel about pushing through tubez 00:54:45 <Sparks> Okay. :) 00:54:56 <Sparks> Does RH handle that? 00:54:56 <ianweller> hehe hopefully before january ;) 00:54:59 <ianweller> i dunno. 00:55:05 <quaid> yeah, we can ask for an RHT hand-off 00:55:10 <ianweller> i really have no clue, and i'm hoping mchua_afk does ;) 00:55:11 <quaid> there is the business wire stuff 00:55:15 <quaid> and the press.redhat.com 00:55:18 <ianweller> and/or coordinate it 00:55:23 <Sparks> cool. 00:55:26 <quaid> yeah, she does; there is likely an SOP on it somewhere 00:55:52 <Sparks> #action ianweller to coordinate with mchua_afk on the press release 00:55:57 <Sparks> Okay, anything else? 00:56:40 <Sparks> #topic New Guides 00:56:55 <Sparks> Going back to this topic because I'm excited by some of radsy's work 00:57:02 <Sparks> radsy: Tell us about your new projects 00:57:04 <Sparks> please 00:57:21 <radsy> ok 00:57:33 <radsy> I've been silently working on a wireless guide: http://sradvan.fedorapeople.org/Wireless_Guide/en-US/html-single/ 00:57:52 <radsy> mainly a high-level overview of 802.11 stuff, but other mobile tech (ev-do, hsdpa etc.) will end up in there 00:58:29 <radsy> started as a side project really but has gained a bit of attention here, which could lead me to doing desktop/network docs, especially emerging desktop tech 00:58:45 <radsy> but we're still in talks to find out priorities/agendas, etc. 00:58:46 <radsy> that's all 00:59:07 <Sparks> I've read the WG and it's cool. 00:59:20 <Sparks> radsy: Is the guide hosted on fhosted.o? 00:59:26 <radsy> Sparks, not as yet 00:59:42 <Sparks> radsy: Okay. Do you need a BZ component for handling tickets? 01:00:04 <radsy> once i'm a bit happier with it, yes I will 01:00:23 <Sparks> radsy: Okay, just let me know and we'll get you setup. 01:00:23 <radsy> no rush straight away however 01:00:26 <radsy> ok 01:00:35 <Sparks> Anyone have any questions? 01:01:08 <Sparks> Okay, thanks radsy! 01:01:29 <Sparks> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets 01:01:42 <Sparks> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora%20Documentation&bug_status=NEW 01:01:56 <Sparks> There are currently 9 new bugs that have not been assigned. 01:02:17 <Sparks> Please visit the link above and see if you can handle one (or more) of these tickets, please. 01:02:59 <Sparks> #topic All other business 01:03:06 <Sparks> Okay, does anyone have anything else? 01:03:43 <Sparks> Anyone? 01:03:45 <Sparks> Anything? 01:04:47 <Sparks> Okay, then we'll go ahead and close down tonight. 01:04:51 <Sparks> Thanks everyone for coming! 01:04:57 <Sparks> Keep up the excellent work! 01:05:01 <Sparks> #endmeeting - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkryJacACgkQfQTSQL0MFMGCigCgpa+MEXOfAnii3cpKtV0jePHX rlQAn0t33eyEirhc+MygbUJ3iD5uHF/U =1F+I - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkryJcUACgkQfQTSQL0MFMGIyQCfaiAhepLD27i4yzgY8kAnBbXf t4MAn1aJlb04a9S0S15OIsg6IKqF00oV =aaXe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list
