00:01:39 <Sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 00:01:39 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 1 00:01:39 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:01:39 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:01:45 <Sparks> #topic Roll Call! 00:01:47 * Sparks 00:02:04 * jjmcd est ici ou la 00:02:36 * ke4qqq is here - believe it or not 00:03:09 * rudi is here 00:03:15 * Sparks just updated the agenda... :) 00:03:18 * quaid esta aqui 00:04:39 * ianweller is here but not watching, mention me if a response is needed... 00:05:08 <Sparks> Okay, let's get started. 00:05:15 <Sparks> #topic Release notes format changes 00:05:22 <jjmcd> Couple things on RNs 00:05:31 <jjmcd> We are building every night for L10N 00:05:32 <Sparks> jjmcd: Remind me, again, what this is and do we need to keep it on the agenda 00:05:54 <jjmcd> Most mornings I have been posting errors to trans list 00:06:15 <rudi> Props to jjmcd -- this is *excellent* 00:06:16 <jjmcd> I notice yesterday juhp and rudi had q1uite a chat about the tables 00:06:21 <jjmcd> as did I 00:06:47 <jjmcd> Result, really no changes. juhp thought comps might be a better source than primary.sqlite, but it is very incomplete 00:07:00 <jjmcd> And now, Sparks, I think you can remove this from the list 00:07:08 <jjmcd> Thanks rudi, but purely selfish 00:07:19 <Sparks> jjmcd: This is awesome work! 00:07:22 <jjmcd> We get a lot of hard errors fixed by someone else 00:07:23 <Sparks> jjmcd++ 00:07:33 <jjmcd> <<--- lazy 00:07:47 <rudi> It relocates the work where it really should be? 00:07:47 <jjmcd> If I can get someone else to do the work !! ;-)) 00:08:03 <rudi> :) 00:08:07 <jjmcd> ANd some of the translators are really digging in 00:08:13 <Sparks> So... is the plan still to post everything to docs.fp.o and to provide a link in the HELP menu and not the document itself? 00:08:37 <jjmcd> I thought we were going to figure out the KDE alternative for yelp 00:08:48 <Sparks> I don't know 00:08:49 <jjmcd> or just do yelp 00:08:56 <jjmcd> I think that was the result 00:09:08 <Sparks> I know we had discussed a few different ways of doing it 00:09:23 <jjmcd> I did intend to go back through the logs -- yeah, we talked about a half-doze approaches 00:09:34 <jjmcd> but I had this nagging feeling I had to much with KDE 00:09:34 <Sparks> I'm concerned about the translations and the RPMs 00:09:48 <jjmcd> If we make the rpm like F11 no prob 00:10:14 <Sparks> one BIG one or multiple RPMs for different languages? 00:10:30 <jjmcd> one big one, like we always have, except not as many formats 00:10:40 <jjmcd> Soyou get your lang automatically 00:10:49 <Sparks> Okay 00:11:02 <jjmcd> Won't be a shock to anyone that way 00:11:07 <Sparks> yeah 00:11:21 <Sparks> okay, any other questions? 00:12:08 <Sparks> #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) 00:12:18 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status 00:12:23 <Sparks> Any update on this? 00:12:47 <ke4qqq> none to speak of 00:12:59 <ke4qqq> at least not from me 00:13:06 <Sparks> someone was working on packaging the editor we needed. 00:13:06 <ke4qqq> mchua|away: and gang are making progress 00:13:19 <quaid> danielsmw was working the editor iirc 00:13:55 <Sparks> ianweller: Were you going to review the editor package? 00:14:25 <ianweller> was i? 00:14:38 <ianweller> i don't really remember. 00:14:48 <Sparks> ianweller: I think danielsmw was supposed to get with you to work out the errors he was getting... 00:14:58 <ianweller> i never heard from him. 00:15:00 <Sparks> ...and possibly get you to review the package 00:15:01 <Sparks> Okay 00:15:29 <jjmcd> I think it was last week Friday that I expected danielsmw to ask for help, never saw him, but I thought ianweller was going to review 00:15:53 <ianweller> i'll happily help out when needed :) 00:15:54 <Sparks> okay 00:16:06 <Sparks> can one of you follow up with him this week, please? 00:16:32 <jjmcd> I'll keep an eye out for him, but haven't seen much lately 00:16:50 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Isn't danielsmw down there with you? 00:17:01 <ke4qqq> he recently started back to college and he's on the 3 year plan - so things are probably a tad busy 00:17:11 <Sparks> I would think so 00:17:11 <ke4qqq> I'll call him this week and see what's up 00:17:15 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Thanks 00:17:31 <Sparks> #action ke4qqq to follow up with danielsmw on the editor package for Zikula 00:17:39 <Sparks> Okay, anything else on this topic? 00:18:32 <Sparks> #topic Status on CC license rollout. 00:18:40 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule 00:19:29 <Sparks> ianweller: Are we ready to make the internal announcement? 00:20:00 <Sparks> quaid: Have you done the follow up with the RPM guide? 00:20:39 <quaid> hrm 00:20:47 <quaid> ok, here's the two bits. 00:21:09 <quaid> 1. I need to contact Eric Foster-Johnson about relicensing RPM Guide .. he didn't do a CLA, for example. 00:21:44 <Sparks> quaid: Where is the RPM Guide? I don't remember what that is, exactly. 00:21:48 <quaid> 2. We have some issues to work through still with the Max RPM content; there is a contributor who doesn't want to have their content relicensed nor have attribution. 00:21:57 <quaid> we have it in cvs or git or something 00:22:24 <Sparks> We were going to add more development and include the Max RPM content? 00:22:38 <quaid> yeah, the idea was to have both to meld in to one, new, shiny RPM Guide. 00:22:55 <Sparks> What are the current licenses? 00:23:31 <ianweller> Sparks: hi 00:23:42 <ianweller> sorry 00:23:55 <quaid> OPL clean for RPM Guide, OPL + non-free clauses for Max RPM 00:24:11 <Sparks> Well that's a problem. 00:24:32 <quaid> not if they are relicensed to the same CC BY SA :) 00:24:45 <ianweller> someone (Sparks) tell me if we're ready and i will make the announcement on docs-list devel-announce advisory-board etc 00:25:03 <Sparks> quaid: Yeah... IF 00:25:30 <Sparks> Okay... so here's the deal. I want the license change over done within the next two weeks. Is that feasible? 00:26:01 <Sparks> We can change the license and then reject the RPM guides if they don't want to play ball, imo. 00:26:16 <Sparks> rudi: Can you have publican updated within a week or two? 00:26:18 <quaid> oh, yeah 00:26:20 <ianweller> do we have to relicense them? 00:26:26 <quaid> RPM stuff is totally non-critical path 00:26:32 <rudi> Yep -- I'm just waiting for someone to pull the trigger 00:26:42 <quaid> move ahead with relicensing without worrying about RPM content 00:26:50 <Sparks> Okay. 00:27:02 <ianweller> #action ianweller to figure out how to change the license on the wiki 00:27:03 <ianweller> :) 00:27:05 <Sparks> ianweller: Go ahead and put the word out internally 00:27:05 <quaid> that was all a courtesy/interest; that's RPM.org stuff, people here just said, "I'd like to help," so I took on that relicensing too :) 00:27:12 <ianweller> Sparks: ok 00:27:34 <ianweller> will do that in a couple of hours 00:27:38 <Sparks> This license change will NOT affect stuff in git... etc. 00:27:42 <Sparks> ianweller: Thanks 00:27:47 <ianweller> Sparks: is that on the announcement draft? 00:27:49 <ianweller> let's go over that. 00:27:54 <ianweller> cuz that's what i'm gonna copy/paste. 00:28:02 <Sparks> The license change will affect stuff on the wiki and stuff we publish 00:28:05 <ianweller> that requires i find it 00:28:22 <Sparks> ianweller: Doh! I didn't link to it anywhere! 00:28:49 <Sparks> #action rudi to change the license information in the publican brands for Fedora 00:29:11 <rudi> Sparks -- so is that a green light now? 00:29:20 * ianweller hunts in his email box 00:29:24 <Sparks> rudi: Yes 00:29:27 <rudi> OK 00:29:40 <ianweller> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release -- the bottom one. 00:29:47 <ianweller> let's discuss that. 00:30:02 <Sparks> rudi: I'm going to shoot a message to the list to make sure that all guide owners are aware of the upcoming change. Just reply to that when you get it all straight, please. 00:30:13 <rudi> Will do 00:31:25 <Sparks> ianweller: Looks good. Should we make a wiki page that says why we are doing this and maybe some FAQs and post that link in that announcement? 00:31:38 <ianweller> Sparks: that would be pretty awesome. 00:31:52 <ianweller> i'm working on an english project right now so if somebody could do that tonight i will buy them a drink 00:32:10 <Sparks> Of course we'd need some folks to ask questions so we'd know what is a FAQ 00:32:19 <ianweller> "what's CC" 00:32:25 <ianweller> "why is the OPL bad" 00:32:30 <ianweller> "why is CC better" 00:32:30 <Sparks> "why is it better than OPL" 00:32:32 <ianweller> "what's the scope of this change" 00:32:38 <quaid> uh, did't I write all that? 00:32:45 <ianweller> you did yeah. 00:32:52 <quaid> but not as a FAQ! 00:32:53 <ianweller> i think. 00:32:53 <Sparks> quaid: Where? 00:32:59 <ianweller> Sparks: on the announcement 00:33:03 <quaid> FAQe (pronounced "fake") 00:33:06 <quaid> one sec 00:33:07 <ianweller> lole 00:33:24 <Sparks> quaid: Yeah, you did. 00:33:26 <quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Relicensing_OPL_to_CC_BY_SA 00:33:29 <quaid> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Relicensing_OPL_to_CC_BY_SA 00:33:32 <ianweller> well HEY 00:33:48 <quaid> some of those links don't look right ... 00:33:53 <quaid> maybe I left stubs for more? 00:33:57 <ianweller> whoa. 00:34:04 <Sparks> Ummm 00:34:17 <Sparks> I don't think we are relicensing Fedora Hosted... are we? 00:34:24 <quaid> no, see 00:34:24 <quaid> stubs 00:34:25 <Sparks> I could see some potential problems. 00:34:28 <Sparks> Oh 00:34:29 <quaid> for all of the guides we have there 00:34:38 <quaid> just fill in whatever 00:34:54 <ianweller> but yeah i still need somebody awesome to turn that page into an FAQ perhaps 00:34:58 <quaid> yeah, last history is 'interim save' meaning I never got it to deserving a full comment block 00:35:11 <ianweller> quaid: hah 00:35:14 <Sparks> quaid: Can I use your blog text on the page? 00:35:57 <quaid> Sparks: natch! 00:36:14 <quaid> I hereby license it under CC BY SA, with attribution being a link back to the original post 00:36:43 * quaid dual licenses it under OPL for the time being 00:36:50 <quaid> so it can be put on the page until he license change :D 00:36:56 <quaid> isn't copyright fun! 00:37:04 <Sparks> quaid: I'm going to need that in writing, please. :) 00:37:18 <ianweller> that isn't writing? ;) 00:37:59 <Sparks> I need a paper 00:38:20 <Sparks> On advice from my attorney-in-training... 00:38:25 <quaid> nope, IRC log is good enough 00:38:31 <quaid> on advice from my monkey council 00:38:46 <Sparks> :) 00:39:10 * Sparks really didn't ask her as she's currently writing a motion for her case and I'd hate to become a part of that case 00:39:40 * ianweller makes a motion 00:39:43 * ianweller dances on the floor 00:39:56 <ianweller> quaid: ok so i'm volunteering you to faqize that faqe 00:40:25 <quaid> ha 00:40:29 <quaid> good luck with that 00:40:36 <ianweller> ;) 00:40:46 <quaid> hey, you know what would help here? 00:40:51 <ianweller> a drink? 00:40:54 <quaid> can we get a quick list of the guides in f'hosted? 00:40:56 <quaid> yeh, that too 00:41:00 <quaid> that we want to switch? 00:42:00 * quaid edits the page to put them in 00:42:08 <Sparks> Okay, I just pasted that into the wiki page but it's ugly... I'll be fixing that later. 00:42:12 <quaid> um, if it's done for now? 00:42:13 <quaid> ok 00:42:26 * quaid is adding in the fhosted list so will fix some formatting now 00:42:49 <Sparks> quaid: Do we want to selectively list the guides we are relicensing or just say "all guides"? 00:44:02 <quaid> hmm 00:44:13 <quaid> I have it as a task to email *all* contributors, past and present 00:44:14 <quaid> as a courtesy 00:44:21 <quaid> so it would help if we had a definitive list 00:44:24 <quaid> I think ... 00:44:53 <Sparks> Is that even possible? 00:45:17 <quaid> theoretically 00:45:29 <quaid> I could get a good list of names with a few hours in cvs and f'hosted 00:45:44 <Sparks> I know the security guide has been in so many different formats and changed/modified that I don't know what kind of paper trail is even left. 00:45:48 <quaid> it's a courtesy move; if we cannot reach people, it's not a game stopper. 00:45:54 <quaid> ah 00:46:00 <quaid> yeah, well, I mayn't look for wiki stuff 00:46:01 <Sparks> the SG came from the wiki... 00:46:04 <quaid> just thinking Install guide, etc. 00:46:08 <quaid> yeah, I get that 00:46:11 <Sparks> and I mean MOIN wiki 00:46:16 <quaid> heh 00:46:23 * quaid can get his hands on that stuff, too 00:46:30 <quaid> ok ... 00:46:40 <quaid> well, it might be futile; and it's NOT on the critical path. 00:46:44 <Sparks> Not trying to discourage... :) 00:46:47 <quaid> ok, back to the question at hand ... 00:46:49 <quaid> I have: 00:46:52 <quaid> Wiki 00:46:56 <quaid> Installation guide 00:46:59 <quaid> Release notes 00:47:04 <quaid> Security guide 00:47:07 <quaid> SELiux guide 00:47:11 <quaid> adding ... 00:47:14 <quaid> Deployment guide 00:47:56 <quaid> else? 00:48:04 <Sparks> Assessibility Guide 00:48:18 <quaid> is that fhosted.org/accessibility-guide? 00:48:48 <Sparks> I think so... I just put it there a few months ago. It used to be in the RN up to F9 or F10 00:49:19 <quaid> /me looking for 'guide' on fh.o 00:49:30 <Sparks> That's a good start. :) 00:50:56 <Sparks> quaid: You should see one in there for an Amateur Radio Guide but there's nothing there, yet, and should be jjmcd and I working on that so no worries there. 00:51:21 <quaid> http://svn.fedoraproject.org/svn/Deployment_Guide/ ? 00:51:37 <Sparks> What's the question? 00:51:48 <quaid> http://fedorahosted.org/deploymentguide 00:52:00 <quaid> it's weird for both to appear, first seems empty; old? 00:52:10 <rudi> New! 00:52:16 <quaid> ah, or that 00:52:27 <rudi> perspectival is working on that one 00:52:32 <rudi> Doesn't seem to be here right now 00:53:51 <Sparks> any others? 00:54:21 <rudi> Add Virtualization Guide 00:54:36 <quaid> yeah 00:54:41 <quaid> I'm rolling down the page 00:54:45 <quaid> about-fedora etc. 00:55:04 <quaid> what is http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/redhatsecurityguide.git 00:55:05 <quaid> v. 00:55:14 <quaid> https://fedorahosted.org/securityguide/ 00:55:33 <Sparks> Don't know what the first one is... the second one should be the "fedora" sg 00:55:47 * quaid wishes we had all stuck with the "- is the space designator" for hosted project guide names 00:56:05 <quaid> some with, some without, and now a bunch of New_Style 00:56:09 <jjmcd> Publican works better with _ 00:56:47 * quaid rolls his eyes and bites his tongue 00:56:57 <jjmcd> Yeah, well, I agree 00:57:00 <quaid> probably not worth changing the other names 00:57:17 * quaid *cough* you know, from the names similar to Fedora Packaging Standards 00:57:34 <quaid> ok, we don't have to kill the mtg with this 00:57:41 <quaid> I'll publish the updated page in a few. 00:57:48 <Sparks> Okay 00:57:53 <Sparks> anything else on this topic? 00:58:08 <quaid> #link https://fedorahosted.org/rpmguide/ 00:58:13 <quaid> for the record 00:58:49 <Sparks> Okay... lets cut down to the meat and potatoes... 00:58:55 <Sparks> #topic Guide needs? 00:59:01 * ianweller has to run 00:59:02 <Sparks> Any guides have any needs? 00:59:27 <Sparks> ianweller: See ya 00:59:33 <jjmcd> Sparks - use same image conventions as user guide? 00:59:42 <jjmcd> i.e. images/chapter 00:59:51 <Sparks> sure 01:00:52 <Sparks> #topic New Guides 01:00:56 <Sparks> Any new guides? 01:01:31 <Sparks> #topic All other business 01:01:39 <Sparks> Any other items that need to be discussed? 01:02:16 <Sparks> 5 01:02:20 <Sparks> 4 01:02:23 <Sparks> 3 01:02:25 <Sparks> 2 01:02:28 <Sparks> 1 01:02:35 <Sparks> Okay, thanks everyone for coming! 01:02:38 <Sparks> #endmeeting -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list
