00:01:59 <Sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 00:02:02 * ianweller 00:02:09 * rudi is here 00:02:10 <Sparks> #topic Roll Call 00:02:12 * Sparks 00:02:18 * jjmcd is here 00:02:24 * rudi jumped the gun earlier but is here 00:02:55 * ianweller doesn't care that he jumped the gun :) 00:03:03 * stickster 1/2 here 00:03:03 * radsy is here 00:03:07 <Sparks> ianweller: As long as you're here 00:03:19 <Sparks> stickster: which half? 00:03:45 <stickster> I don't know, it's via gerrymandering 00:05:37 <Sparks> Okay, let's get started. 00:05:43 <Sparks> #topic Last week's action items 00:05:54 <Sparks> Sparks to follow up with the News people about Zikula 00:06:20 <Sparks> Okay, so I sent an email out to the News folks but I didn't really get a response back. I'll see if I can catch someone over there. 00:06:29 <Sparks> stickster: Is Max the lead there? 00:06:50 <stickster> Sparks: Pascal Calarco is the person who agreed to help, I believe 00:07:56 <Sparks> #ACTION Sparks to follow up with Pascal Calarco from News to make sure we are including all packages necessary for Zikula for them. 00:08:10 <Sparks> Sparks to write rollout plan for license change 00:08:23 <Sparks> Hmmm... Yeah, didn't get to this one. 00:08:36 <stickster> That's something we could use, fer sher 00:08:49 <Sparks> #action Sparks to write rollout plan for license change... 2nd alarm 00:08:54 * stickster will try to write a blog entry in the next day or two to try and drum up some PHP/JS help 00:09:02 <Sparks> ianweller to write press release 00:09:13 <Sparks> ianweller: I'm guessing you're waiting for my plan, right? 00:09:18 <ianweller> yeah a little bit. 00:09:21 <Sparks> Okay 00:09:28 <Sparks> rudi to help sparks on changing the fedora-brand in Publican for CC license 00:09:40 <Sparks> rudi: You going to be busy on Monday? 00:09:52 <rudi> Sparks - I'll be available :) 00:10:08 <Sparks> rudi: Okay, I'll get with you after the meeting and setup some time with you. Thanks. 00:10:14 <Sparks> #action rudi to help sparks on changing the fedora-brand in Publican for CC license 00:10:14 <rudi> NP 00:10:41 <Sparks> Sparks to create BZ component for Installation Quick Start Guide 00:10:43 <Sparks> done 00:10:51 <Sparks> Sparks to create a BZ component for Virtualization Guide 00:10:51 <Sparks> done 00:11:00 <Sparks> Sparks to send out reminder about the RN meeting 00:11:01 <Sparks> done 00:11:15 <Sparks> jjmcd: Do we need to meet again this week? I don't think we got throught everything last week 00:11:25 <jjmcd> I think we do 00:11:32 <Sparks> Same bat time? 00:11:34 <jjmcd> we hit one of I think 4 major topics 00:11:44 <jjmcd> I kept it on my calendar just in case 00:11:57 <Sparks> When is it? Tomorrow at ??? 00:12:16 * rudi stocked up on Coke and Doritos :) 00:12:22 <jjmcd> 11E 00:12:35 <Sparks> So 1500 UTC 00:12:35 <jjmcd> so 1500Z maybe 00:12:38 <Sparks> Okay. 00:13:00 <Sparks> Anyone have anything else from last week? 00:13:30 <Sparks> #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) <-- ke4qqq 00:13:42 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status 00:13:56 <Sparks> Okay, I don't think ke4qqq is here tonight... 00:14:02 <Sparks> so I'll just give a quick update. 00:14:29 <Sparks> The webpage listed above is a status page of all the Zikula modules that need to be packaged... 00:14:37 <Sparks> and what their hangups are. 00:14:47 * stickster may need to update his 00:14:58 <Sparks> We still have quite a few that are broken due to licensing issues. 00:15:31 * stickster just updated his entries on that list 00:16:04 <Sparks> I've been pushing my packages to F-10, F-11, F-12, and EL-5. F-10 is optional, I guess, but everyone that is packaging needs to push to EL-5 as well. 00:16:15 <stickster> Yup, took care of mine yesterday and today 00:16:25 <Sparks> stickster: Is there anything else>? 00:16:42 <stickster> One thing we're going to need to make a call on soon is changing "upstream to resolve" to "$FEDORA_PERSON to resolve" 00:17:11 <stickster> Blocking on licensing is bad, and I think upstream's going to need our help here, something more than asking them to do it 00:17:33 <Sparks> I agree. 00:18:33 <Sparks> I'm going to just go through the three GPL-licensed editors and package them all. That way we have choices 00:18:59 <stickster> Makes sense to me 00:19:10 * stickster knows tinymce by name 00:19:24 <stickster> OK, moving on 00:19:39 <stickster> #action? 00:19:50 <Sparks> stickster: Do you have time to go through the three packages that are license blocked and explain what exactly is blocking (icons, etc)? 00:20:09 <Sparks> #action Sparks to package the three GPL editors for Zikula 00:20:14 <stickster> I think they're all explained in their respective bugs 00:20:17 <stickster> but... 00:20:37 <stickster> I know off the top of my head that Mediashare is blocked on LIghtboxXL 00:20:43 <stickster> Which is a CC 2.5 licensed JS 00:21:06 <stickster> And that same JS appears in at least one other module, I think it's Mediaattach 00:21:35 <Sparks> Content 00:21:56 <Sparks> MediaAttach says "multiple licensing issues". 00:22:08 <stickster> Sorry, Content -- right. 00:22:18 <Sparks> What does it mean for our Zikula rollout without these packages? 00:22:25 <stickster> For Mediaattach: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505938#c5 00:22:26 <buggbot> Bug 505938: medium, low, ---, fedora-docs-list, NEW, Need to package MediaAttach. 00:22:35 <stickster> Umm, thanks for nuttin' buggbot 00:23:13 <stickster> Sparks: Well, we can't submit files or other content that's not a written story, withot those modules, if I understand them correctly 00:23:22 <stickster> i.e attaching RPMs wouldn't be possible 00:23:35 <stickster> We also wouldn't be able to put up podcasts for Marketing/News 00:23:47 <Sparks> :( 00:24:13 <stickster> Ah, menutree is the other one that has problems, although they look less horrible 00:24:21 <Sparks> stickster: So what do you propose? action? 00:24:22 <stickster> So... important to get this done. 00:24:56 <stickster> I think that several Docs folks who have some PHP/JS knowledge, or can gain it quickly, should agree to get together at a specific date to fix the problems 00:25:09 <stickster> i.e. Take a Saturday or Sunday and plow through it over IRC 00:25:33 <Sparks> Any takers for assisting? 00:25:35 <stickster> I'm going to do a blog post to see if we can get one or more PHP/JS persons to come by and help from the general community. 00:26:48 * stickster reminds everyone that they could help by blogging too 00:26:51 <Sparks> #action Stickster to blog to see if we can get some PHP/JS folks to help with out with some Zikula modules. 00:27:14 <stickster> When the going gets hard... 00:27:36 <Sparks> okay, anything else for Zikula? 00:28:28 <Sparks> #topic Status on CC license rollout. <-- ianweller 00:28:34 <Sparks> ianweller: Umm... waiting on me, right? 00:28:41 <ianweller> afaik 00:28:51 <Sparks> #topic Shared open-source style guide <--ke4qqq 00:29:02 <Sparks> #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-June/msg00163.html 00:29:16 <Sparks> ke4qqq is going to quite busy these next few weeks/months. 00:29:24 <Sparks> Does anyone want to take on this project? 00:29:43 <Sparks> It should be a fun project and I'm sure ke4qqq will want to continue to help out. 00:29:53 <rudi> I'm happy to take it on 00:29:58 <stickster> I thought that laubersm and someone else had indicated interest as well 00:30:19 <rudi> But it will probably be another week or two before I can do anything meaningful with it 00:30:20 * jjmcd anticipates being well entertained the next few months 00:30:51 <Sparks> stickster: Maybe, I don't remember. 00:31:23 * stickster thinks to himself, man, a list conversation would have helped us capture that, probalby. 00:31:25 <stickster> *probably, even. 00:31:30 <Sparks> Well, this doesn't have to be a one or two person project 00:31:39 <stickster> Not at all 00:31:50 <stickster> I met some of the folks working on this when I was at Open Source Bridge -- they are good folks. 00:32:00 <Sparks> #action Sparks to put a note on the list about Shared Open-Source Style Guide 00:32:16 <rudi> I know that my slackness in getting some of RH's internal material opened up has blocked this a little 00:33:20 <Sparks> Well, I don't know that the project has a good grasp on what needs to happen, etc. 00:33:28 <Sparks> I think they were going to setup a meeting somewhere. 00:34:28 <Sparks> Okay, I'll try to get a better footing on this topic before next week. 00:34:45 <Sparks> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets 00:34:56 <Sparks> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora%20Documentation&bug_status=NEW 00:35:22 <Sparks> We are down to 10 NEW bugs. I think we knocked out a few of them last week after the meeting. 00:35:35 <Sparks> Let's see if we can get the rest at least assigned tonight. 00:35:44 <Sparks> Any volunteers to go through them? 00:37:11 * Sparks hears crickets 00:37:27 <jjmcd> Didn't we already have one like 507999 00:37:48 <jjmcd> In any case, that one is obviously mine 00:38:18 <rudi> jjmcd -- yeah, I was sure that we did 00:38:27 <rudi> But I couldn't find it either :) 00:39:09 <jjmcd> and 514153 is simple needing release 00:39:36 <Sparks> .bug 184234 00:39:38 <buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=184234 medium, medium, ---, kwade, NEW, A way to check the CVE/CAN status of a currently installed package. 00:39:39 <buggbot> Bug 184234: medium, medium, ---, kwade, NEW, A way to check the CVE/CAN status of a currently installed package. 00:39:45 <Sparks> Ummn.. yeah 00:40:05 <Sparks> So this is an OLD bug but one that is EXTREMELY important to US government/military users 00:40:48 <stickster> Sparks: http://tinyurl.com/mrfcgp <-- blog post as ordered 00:40:50 <Sparks> Where can we put this? 00:41:17 <Sparks> stickster: Awesome! Now that's efficiency 00:41:34 <Sparks> Wasn't someone working on an enterprise-like guide? 00:41:54 <rudi> That's the Fedora Deployment Guide 00:42:01 <Sparks> Hmmm... 00:42:09 <rudi> perspectival has that one 00:42:11 <Sparks> This needs to go into a "user" guide but... 00:42:28 <Sparks> not the "I'm a noob" guide 00:42:51 <perspectival> Sparks: I believe I need a BZ component for the Deployment Guide 00:43:01 <perspectival> sorry to trouble you for more components ;-) 00:43:34 <Sparks> #action Sparks to create BZ component Deployment Guide 00:43:39 <Sparks> perspectival: No problem. 00:43:44 <perspectival> thanks 00:44:01 <Sparks> Okay... How about I accept this one and write it in the wiki somewhere? 00:45:10 <Sparks> #action Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation proceedures in the wiki 00:46:04 <Sparks> I do it enough at work... :) 00:46:14 <Sparks> Okay, moving on... 00:46:30 <Sparks> #topic Guide needs? 00:46:39 <Sparks> Anyone have a Guide that they need assistance with? 00:47:21 <Sparks> #topic New Guides 00:47:31 <Sparks> Okay, anyone have a new guide they'd like to share with us? 00:47:38 <Sparks> or a new guide idea? 00:47:59 <rudi> Just saying that the IQSG is now in localisation and I should have a copy up on docs.fp.o very shortly 00:48:08 <Sparks> IQSG? 00:48:11 <Sparks> Oh 00:48:17 <Sparks> Installation Quick Start Guide 00:48:18 <rudi> Installation Quick Start Guide 00:48:23 <Sparks> jinx! 00:48:29 <Sparks> That's awesome. 00:48:36 <Sparks> anyone else? 00:48:48 <Sparks> #topic All other business 00:48:53 <Sparks> Okay, does anyone have anything? 00:49:46 * Sparks thinks we might get out on-time/early tonight 00:50:14 <rudi> quiet week at the docs project :) 00:50:16 <perspectival> I would like to mention one thing 00:50:40 <perspectival> I'll add a short update here too on what I'm working on 00:50:42 <perspectival> Currently I'm working on gathering an exhaustive list of all F11 new features that could or should be included in the Deployment Guide (done), ensure that these features should actually be listed in the DG (in progress), and then I'll determine where to add them (TOC, etc.), and: post this info to the deployment-guide-list; create placeholders in the DG for major new features (there's already a placeholder chapter for ABRT) 00:51:01 <perspectival> I'm also working on closing a number of bugs filed against the Deployment Guide 00:51:07 <perspectival> The Deployment Guide has the following major sections ("parts" in DocBook terminology): 00:51:14 <perspectival> I. Package Management: yum, rpm, etc. 00:51:14 <perspectival> II. Network-Related Configuration: interfaces, runlevels, services, BIND, apache, openssh, samba, dhcp, ftp, ldap 00:51:14 <perspectival> III. System Configuration: console access, sysconfig dir, date, time, keyboard, X, users, groups, printers, at, batch, cron and log files 00:51:14 <perspectival> IV. System Monitoring: oprofile, ABRT 00:51:15 <perspectival> V. Kernel and Driver Configuration: upgrading, modules, etc. 00:51:33 <perspectival> ** Note that (in contrast to the Red Hat Enterprise Linux Deployment Guide) information on file systems (setting them up, partitioning, lvm, luks, etc.) will not be in the scope of the Deployment Guide for Fedora 00:52:25 <Sparks> No? 00:52:30 <Sparks> Why not? 00:52:34 <perspectival> unfortunately not 00:52:47 * Sparks notes luks is covered fairly well in the Security Guide 00:53:12 <perspectival> it's out-of-scope for the guide that I'm writing 00:53:16 <Sparks> Okay 00:53:28 <Sparks> Well, that's cool 00:53:31 <perspectival> yeah 00:53:42 <Sparks> Anyone have any questions? 00:54:03 <perspectival> the Fedora DG will be huge even without the part on File Systems, etc. 00:54:12 <perspectival> that's all for me unless there are questions... 00:54:40 * rudi notes that its RHEL cousin is nearly 1000 pages long :) 00:54:52 <Sparks> Good reading there 00:55:49 <Sparks> Okay, anyone else? 00:56:56 <Sparks> 5 00:56:57 <Sparks> 4 00:56:59 <Sparks> 3 00:57:06 <Sparks> Speak now or... 00:57:07 <Sparks> 2 00:57:15 <Sparks> forever hold your peace 00:57:17 <Sparks> 1 00:57:20 * perspectival is holding 00:57:22 <Sparks> #endmeeting
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