Here in wiki format: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Docs_IRC_log_20090225 ... and attached as raw text. -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41
11:01 < quaid> <meeting id="Docs team"> 11:02 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg -- say hello :) 11:02 < quaid> hello 11:02 < jjmcd> bonjour 11:02 < kirkz> quaid: hi 11:03 * laubersm is here 11:03 < stickster> quaid: Is Sparks here for this one? I'm behind on email, sorry. 11:03 * stickster can't be 100% here either, unfortch 11:03 * lcafiero is here 11:04 < quaid> stickster: he asked me to cover this mtg for him 11:04 < stickster> OK, gotcha 11:04 < quaid> he's in an all-day at $2ork 11:04 < stickster> Just curious, no problem 11:04 < quaid> yeah, there 2 11:04 < quaid> ok, he left me some agenda items iirc 11:05 < laubersm> a new meeting time was a big one 11:05 < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_Steering_Committee_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting 11:05 < quaid> yep 11:05 -!- mcepl [n=mcepl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:05 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_Steering_Committee_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting :::: meeting time change 11:05 < quaid> I would guess 11:05 < quaid> that if you haven't put your name in hereL 11:05 < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FDSCo_meeting_matrix 11:06 < quaid> then you don't care what time it is? 11:06 < quaid> or you are choosing to not be a gating facter 11:06 * quaid tries ways to be fair 11:06 * laubersm thinks decisions are made by those that show up (and proxy counts) 11:06 < quaid> we have one block that gets five ppl 11:07 < quaid> sorry, two 11:07 < jjmcd> Except I would lean towards something ryanlerch can make eve if he isn't ususally here now 11:07 < quaid> jjmcd: we would need to know what he can make 11:07 < quaid> jjmcd: did he not put his name on there because he's available all day in BNE? 11:08 < jjmcd> I dunno, seems like Sparks talked to him but I don't know the outcome 11:08 < quaid> which would mean Thursday 00:00 (is that really Wednesday my time?) 11:08 < laubersm> quaid: yes 11:08 < jjmcd> yeh 11:08 < quaid> tricky bugger that 11:09 < laubersm> Thur 00:00 is PST 4pm Wed according to my printout here 11:09 < laubersm> which is EST 7pm 11:09 < quaid> yeppers, I remember why I approved that one for me, I was sure I could do it with the major royal screw-up that is daylight savings time adjustments 11:10 < jjmcd> Yeah, I had to extend all my normal meetings an hour to find holes that would straddle time changes 11:11 < laubersm> what time is that for RL? 11:11 < jjmcd> Probably some time tuesday, who knows 11:11 * laubersm has a chart just for US time zones 11:12 < laubersm> I had added myself to the popular Sat time (Fri night for me) but I still keep hoping that I'll get a life 11:12 < laubersm> (and I don't just mean Fri nights in the airport) 11:12 < jjmcd> GMT+11 so 11 AM 11:12 < quaid> BNE is +1000 11:12 < quaid> oh, OK 11:13 < quaid> so that's Thursday around elevenses 11:13 < jjmcd> yeah, or maybe 10 depending on the season 11:13 < jjmcd> But not sleeping probably unless too late in the bar 11:13 < quaid> since we can all technically be here around that time this afternoon, let's ping ryanlerch and make sure it works for him. 11:14 * laubersm thinks that sounds a lot like the outcome of last week's discussion... 11:15 < jjmcd> Yeah, except I think Sparks did talk with him 11:16 < laubersm> +1 for Thurs 00:00 UTC - put it out on the list and revisit if there is an explosion 11:16 < jjmcd> Sounds like a plan to me 11:16 -!- GeroldKa [n=GeroldKa@fedora/geroldka] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:17 -!- dkovalsk [n=dkovalsk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:17 < quaid> word 11:17 < laubersm> hmm... Damiels isn't in the THur list either... re Users Guide. 11:17 -!- mbonnet is now known as mbonnet__ 11:17 < laubersm> well hopefully he can make it some of the time (college schedule and all) 11:17 < quaid> good point 11:18 < quaid> right, we're working on a schedule that mayn't change for a while 11:18 < quaid> in fact, this time here has been steady for several years iirc 11:18 -!- itbegins_ [n=Simon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:18 < quaid> I see he is avail one hour before 11:18 < quaid> maybe we can start the meeting :15 early :) 11:19 < quaid> I've tried two hour meeting windows for just that reason before, which didn't work out so hot. 11:19 < laubersm> I like the maybe we can start early thing - 11:19 < laubersm> he is also good about sending a proxy (email) 11:19 < quaid> yep 11:19 < laubersm> and his schedule might change with the semesters 11:20 * quaid looks at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_meeting_channel 11:20 < quaid> looks good for keeping this channel 11:21 < quaid> the EPEL slot is not used I reckon 11:21 * quaid being on that steering committee and not meeting at that time that he can recall, or he is just lame 11:21 -!- mkoci_koca [n=mkoci@nat/redhat/x-b28f1ff124952678] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:21 -!- kital [n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:22 * laubersm notes the EPEL page says Mon 15:00 UTC 11:22 -!- danielsmw [n=danielsm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:22 < jjmcd> hey speak of the devil 11:22 * danielsmw looks around 11:22 * laubersm points at danielsmw 11:23 * danielsmw hides in the corner from... something? 11:23 < laubersm> danielsmw: We are talking about new meeting times 11:23 < danielsmw> Oh! 11:23 < danielsmw> Okay. 11:23 < laubersm> Thus 00:00 is leading the pack 11:23 < laubersm> Thurs 11:23 < Jeff_S> laubersm: EPEL never seems to meet at that time... we were going to look into changing it (again) :) 11:23 < laubersm> danielsmw: But you are not listed in that block as available 11:23 < danielsmw> um.... 11:23 < danielsmw> well, let's see. 11:24 < quaid> Jeff_S: yeah, I'd like to help us get back on track there 11:24 < danielsmw> 00:00 = 7 PM EST, right? 11:24 < laubersm> danielsmw: That is Wed 7pm Eastern 11:24 < Jeff_S> quaid: me too :) 11:24 < danielsmw> right 11:24 < danielsmw> um... 11:24 < danielsmw> That's do-able. 11:24 < danielsmw> It's not as convenient as other times, but I can make that work. 11:24 * laubersm cheers 11:24 < jjmcd> well, 7PM for a few more days 11:24 < danielsmw> If that's the will of the party. 11:24 -!- StabbyMc [n=StabbyMc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:25 < laubersm> hmm jjmcd is right - 7pm standard time - 8pm daylight savings time which starts soon 11:25 * laubersm thinks it is spring forward and fall back 11:26 < danielsmw> That sounds right 11:26 < jjmcd> yep which makes it 8 11:26 * jjmcd thinks we are far too technological a society to be worshiping the sun god anyway 11:27 < laubersm> beginning Mar 8 11:27 < quaid> jjmcd: or we could just give up on our silly artificial conventions and go back to worshipping the sun god, either way 11:27 < danielsmw> so 00:00 UTC starting March 8th? 11:27 < quaid> yes 11:27 < danielsmw> March 8th UTC? 11:28 < danielsmw> Oh right, that's DST. 11:28 < danielsmw> Okay. 11:28 < laubersm> 00:00 on Thursdays starting - ????? 11:28 < laubersm> March is when that the time changes 11:28 < quaid> oh dear 11:28 -!- hondra [n=cschu@nat/redhat/x-490de093a5c6acad] has quit ["chramst..mlask..hehehe"] 11:28 < quaid> but that's the way it is 11:28 < laubersm> when thinking local clock 11:29 -!- lcafiero [n=larry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:29 < quaid> last open question was. 11:29 < laubersm> quaid: new meeting time next week? or the following (after the EST->EDT change) 11:29 < quaid> are we going to start a few minutes early? or 0000 is OK? 11:29 < jjmcd> I'm for dividing the year into 100 days and the day into 100 hours and stop all this 7/24/28/29/30/31 nonsense 11:29 < danielsmw> good call jjmcd 11:29 < danielsmw> metric for the win. 11:30 < jjmcd> Until Mar 8 I can only be a few minutes early. After that don't matter 11:30 < nirik> jjmcd: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time 11:30 < jjmcd> danielsmw: if we did it right we might even get rid of the leap second 11:31 * laubersm notices we are once again too distracted.... 11:31 < danielsmw> I mean, look, do we really need to base years on the seasons? 11:31 < danielsmw> I say we just reboot at year 0 and base it off a physical constant 11:31 < danielsmw> Anyway, yeah 11:31 * quaid notes that much of the world does care about the seasons intimately 11:31 < danielsmw> sorry laubersm 11:31 < quaid> let us not forget that as we sit in our wee towers :) 11:31 < quaid> how about this: 11:32 < quaid> put in your vote for start new time at 8 march or 15 march 11:32 * quaid 8 march 11:32 < laubersm> wait 11:32 < laubersm> Mar 8 is a Sunday 11:32 < jjmcd> So Mar 11 or 18 11:32 < jjmcd> 11 11:33 * laubersm Thurs March 12 00:00 UTC 11:33 < jjmcd> yes, exactly 11:33 < laubersm> I think we are all agreeing on the week at least :) 11:33 -!- mdomsch [n=mdomsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:33 < quaid> sorry 11:34 * quaid blames the flu 11:34 < jjmcd> excuses, excuses 11:34 * laubersm is almost over it 11:34 < quaid> umm, what about 4 Mar then? 11:35 < jjmcd> 4 mar 1900 or 5 mar 0000? I could go either way 11:35 < laubersm> I would say just skip a week - but feature freeze is next week so I guess we should meet 11:35 < quaid> we should 11:35 < quaid> sorry, let's do this right, give me a moment: 11:35 -!- lcafiero [n=larry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:35 < quaid> vote 5 Mar 0000, or 11:36 < quaid> vote 12 Mar 0000, or 11:36 < quaid> vote 19 Mar 0000 11:36 < quaid> right? 11:36 * quaid votes 5 Mar 11:36 * laubersm 5 Mar 0000 11:36 * danielsmw Abstains 11:37 < jjmcd> 5 mar 0000 11:38 < kirkz> 5 mar 11:39 < quaid> ok then 11:39 < quaid> we'll start next week 11:39 -!- fbijlsma [n=fbijlsma@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:39 < quaid> and with that ... 11:39 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg :::: Wiki page changes 11:40 < quaid> I'm guessing we'd love to hear what laubersm has been up to? 11:40 < laubersm> Progress is being made 11:40 < laubersm> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Docs_Project 11:40 < laubersm> I can finish up the docsproject.psv list by tomorrow - but I don't mind letting someone else do the 11:40 < laubersm> cut and paste work 11:41 < laubersm> most are in the categories now 11:41 < laubersm> (don't forget to look in the sub cats) 11:41 < laubersm> but a bunch still need someone to use the "move" tab 11:42 < laubersm> Then we need to clean up the remaining content to be usable 11:42 < laubersm> This step took care of names, categories, and an initial pass at archiving 11:43 < quaid> how hard was it? 11:43 < laubersm> hard? not at all 11:43 < laubersm> boring? eye crossing? tedious? 11:44 < jjmcd> just tedious 11:44 * laubersm wishes wikibot could have done it. 11:44 * quaid agrees, sadly 11:44 < laubersm> quaid: you did the hard part - filtering out what to archive, what to name, and what categories 11:44 < quaid> but we did get one new value. 11:44 < quaid> we know that if we expect people to rename their pages 11:45 < jjmcd> But there were a lot of category issues we would have missed had we just done wikibot 11:45 < quaid> they will not do it by hand and we need wikibot :) 11:45 -!- John5342 [n=john5342@fedora/John5342] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:45 < laubersm> There are still plenty of pages to be cleaned up - in and out of docs 11:45 < quaid> jjmcd: after cleaning up the PSV? 11:45 < quaid> or you mean, existing categories on pages? 11:45 < jjmcd> I didn't update the psv 11:46 < jjmcd> Some obvious categories missing on psv 11:46 * quaid meant all the case mistakes he made in the categories in the PSV ref. cleaning up 11:46 < quaid> presuming a clean PSV to start, what would wikibot have missed for us? 11:46 < laubersm> I cleanup up the the archive -> archives and a few of the case things 11:46 < laubersm> there were not many left 11:47 < laubersm> quaid: I think wikibot would have been fine after another proofreading of the psv file 11:48 < jjmcd> Yes, if one could get brain engaged reading psv 11:48 -!- StabbyMc [n=StabbyMc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has left #fedora-meeting ["Stab ya later!"] 11:49 -!- jmoskovc` [n=Mozkum@nat/redhat/x-008bc2f54ac5df59] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:49 < laubersm> I'm working on getting StabbyMc to take a stab at the Events/ and FedoraEvents/ pages 11:49 < quaid> cool, that's good 11:49 < laubersm> (no that he has left) 11:49 < quaid> laubersm: wow 11:49 < quaid> that would be cool 11:49 < quaid> yeah, we need FedoraEvents as a URL to disappear 11:50 < laubersm> marketing has started their pages 11:50 < laubersm> package maintainers is basically done 11:50 < laubersm> packaging drafts is getting there 11:52 < laubersm> but the event stuff showing up in searches for new users and contributors would be really good 11:52 < quaid> coo' 11:52 < quaid> wiki gardening lives! 11:52 < quaid> anything more or time to bug ke4qqq? 11:53 * laubersm has been done 11:53 < quaid> and are we in fact gating on ke4qqq to make more progress on the CMS? 11:53 * quaid said 'gating'! argh! 11:54 < quaid> don't think anyone here can answer, huh? 11:54 < quaid> abadger1999: ping 11:54 < abadger1999> quaid: pong 11:55 -!- mdomsch [n=mdomsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:55 < itbegins_> i am here 11:55 < abadger1999> I think that's the case. itbegins, you talked to ke4qqq last. 11:55 < abadger1999> We're just waiting on packaging? 11:55 < itbegins_> i am waiting on packaging before i can reinstall the test instance 11:55 < quaid> he's made progress, but what I really mean is ... 11:55 < quaid> can we be making progress without packages? 11:55 < quaid> ok, I see 11:56 < quaid> could the Docs people be entering stuff in that survives the reinstall? 11:56 < itbegins_> the only areas i have to really deal with are theme/design and the dics build script 11:56 < quaid> can someone be working on the final tweaks to the CSS? 11:56 < quaid> ok 11:56 < quaid> do you need help with the theme? 11:56 < itbegins_> the database will survive packaging, so yes 11:56 < quaid> we have Websites/Design people with CSS experience. 11:57 < itbegins_> design is not my strongpoint, but I can probably handle a simple port 11:57 < quaid> abadger1999: what do you think about us entering stuff? we could be getting used to using it for publishing? 11:57 < itbegins_> if you want changes, getting the design people to handle it might be a good plan 11:57 < quaid> itbegins_: if you have any questions, feel free to use fedora-websites-list 11:57 < quaid> nah, we want to look like Fedora 11:57 < quaid> and it's probably worth showing your CSS to -websites-l 11:57 < itbegins_> might be worth it anyway, so they are familiar with the new system?... 11:58 < quaid> mduffy has some good ideas on how to nest the CSS, or something 11:58 < quaid> itbegins_: peripherally, they should be aware 11:58 < itbegins_> Sorry, slow to type, on mobile 11:58 < abadger1999> quaid: Probably be okay..... We would need to dump the test db and reload it on the production mysql server when we do a real deploy. 11:59 < quaid> abadger1999: sure, that was what I meant :) ... if that's likely safe enough ... 11:59 < abadger1999> permissions are stored in the same db? 11:59 < itbegins_> ok, well Ill see what I can do about finishing the css, and Ill chase progress on the build script 11:59 < quaid> itbegins_: we can discuss on list when it's safest for Docs people to start actually doing stuff to populate with structure and content. 11:59 < itbegins_> abadger1999: yes, access control and content are all the same db 11:59 < quaid> s/on list/on docs list/ 11:59 < abadger1999> Can we dump the docs but not the permissions and reload those in the new db? Or will that mess up authorship and such? 12:00 < itbegins_> abadger1999: shouldn't be a problem, providin,g we dont dump user records 12:00 < quaid> jjmcd: if you 've got a second, can you say a quick update on the release notes for the IRC log 12:00 < jjmcd> OK 12:00 < abadger1999> itbegins_: I think we can live with that. 12:00 < jjmcd> Been a little slow past week here - computer probls 12:01 < jjmcd> I need some help with F10 update 12:01 < jjmcd> Otherwise not a lot of news really, plugging along 12:01 < itbegins_> ok, Ill duck out now, supposed to be sitting at a restaurant table... 12:01 < quaid> itbegins_: :) 12:01 < quaid> jjmcd: do you all have a recruitment plan for Beats? or something like that? 12:02 < quaid> in my experience, getting a wide range of valuable content from the real sources is the hardest nut to crack. 12:02 < quaid> jjmcd: I'm available to help you with F10 update, if anybody 12:02 < jjmcd> Not a plan, am doing some recruiting but more or less andom 12:02 < quaid> ok, when we see ryanlerch later let's ask him what he thinks and etc.? 12:02 < jjmcd> but a strategy would be a good thing 12:02 -!- knurd is now known as knurd_afk 12:02 < quaid> ok,we're over the clock 12:03 < quaid> I think there is a mtg here and time to move on anyway 12:03 < jjmcd> (onna phone with some pretty strange stuff) 12:03 < quaid> if there is anything more for the record .... 12:03 * quaid counts down 12:03 < quaid> 5 12:03 < quaid> 4 12:03 < quaid> 3 12:03 < quaid> 2 12:03 < quaid> 1 12:03 < quaid> </meeting>
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