https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Docs_IRC_log_20090204 11:01 < quaid> <meeting id="Docs team"> 11:02 < jjmcd> yo 11:02 < zoglesby> hello 11:03 * jjmcd may be a little slow on the uptake today ... got drops in his eyes and can't see so good 11:03 -!- daumas [n=mcronenw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has left #fedora-meeting [] 11:03 -!- alexxed [n=alex@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:03 -!- itamarjp [n=itamar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:04 * quaid getting link to agenda, on sec 11:04 < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Wednesday.2C_04_February_2009 11:06 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg :: F11 schedule confirmation/ratification 11:06 -!- fbijlsma [n=fbijlsma@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:06 < quaid> if you look at that page above, there are links to the schedule and poelcat's last post on it 11:07 < quaid> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-docs-tasks.html 11:07 < quaid> that's our main one 11:07 * stickster back now 11:07 < quaid> anyone had a chance to look at that before? 11:07 < stickster> quaid: This one might help too: 11:08 < stickster> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-docs-and-trans-tasks.html 11:08 < stickster> Shows lining up of Docs w/L10n. 11:08 < stickster> I sent poelcat a comment or two about that one IIRC 11:08 < quaid> wazzat? 11:09 < jjmcd> What precisely is "String freeze"? 11:09 < stickster> I think it was a clarification of how the item was stated on one line. 11:09 < quaid> jjmcd: it is 11:09 < stickster> jjmcd: The point beyond which strings are not changed 11:09 -!- itamarjp [n=itamar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:09 < stickster> jjmcd: For software, that means no further changes to dialog text, etc. that would make more work for translators. 11:10 < jjmcd> aha 11:10 < stickster> jjmcd: That way, starting with the string freeze, they are working with set-in-stone POTs for everything 11:10 < stickster> jjmcd: *occasionally* they will change, but violating the string freeze has to be requested from the L10n, or at least announced, and justified 11:10 < quaid> same for content 11:11 < quaid> so on our schedule, a "Translation Deadline" is the deadline for the l10n team to finish trans 11:11 * ke4qqq is late 11:11 < quaid> where a string freeze is our deadline for getting content finished for l10n to start on 11:11 -!- kgs [n=kgs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:11 < jjmcd> OK, so basically, L10n focuses on translating software for beta, docs for release 11:12 < quaid> for preview and final release 11:12 * quaid confirms that 11:12 -!- jwb [n=jwboyer@fedora/jwb] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:12 < jjmcd> yah, didn't scroll all the way down to previes 11:12 < quaid> that's actually where it gets confusing 11:12 -!- jwb [n=jwboyer@fedora/jwb] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:12 < quaid> the time between beta and preview is so tight ... 11:13 -!- lfoppiano [n=lfoppian@fedora/lfoppiano] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:14 -!- warren [n=warren@redhat/wombat/warren] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:14 < quaid> yeah, it looks like 4-14 is the trans deadline for the release notes, and we build it on 4-21 11:14 < jjmcd> seems like for F10 we had like 3 betas 11:16 < quaid> ok, I don't think I see anything that bothers me 11:16 < quaid> what other clarifications can we provide? 11:18 * stickster waves to ke4qqq 11:18 < quaid> we should hear from Sparks (and ke4qqq !) before ratifying 11:18 < quaid> we can push this to later via IRC when they are available. 11:19 < jjmcd> and ryanlerch 11:19 < quaid> that is, I think ke4qqq was there and jsmith certainly was when we made the schedule 11:19 < quaid> yeah, good point 11:19 < quaid> how about this 11:19 < stickster> Right 11:19 < quaid> I'll take the task of talking with everyone today 11:19 < stickster> We should just ask Sparks to stamp it (if agreed) and communicate with Poelstra 11:19 * ke4qqq waves back at stickster 11:19 * stickster just totally resaid what everyone else just said. 11:19 < quaid> and we'll get questions or approval or whatever worked out by ~0100 UTC Th. 11:20 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg :: CMS update 11:20 < quaid> good timing ke4qqq 11:20 < ke4qqq> lol 11:20 < ke4qqq> I suppose 11:20 < jjmcd> Does ryanlerch even come online by then? Thats only la few hours from now 11:21 < ke4qqq> he's got almost 4 hours 11:21 * jjmcd shouldn't have told the optometrist "oh yeah, we can do the dilation thing this year" 11:21 < quaid> jjmcd: yeah, unless he sleeps in, six hours from now is late enough 11:22 < quaid> 0100 isn't a hard deadline, that's roughly COB on PST. 11:22 < jjmcd> K, I knew I've been seeing him in tghe evening, but haven't been watching the clock that close 11:22 -!- kulll [n=kulll@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:22 -!- danielsmw [n=danielsm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:22 < ke4qqq> anyway - CMS - so 1.1.1 zikula came out, and they are actually doing a dedicated server build (as opposed to shared hosting) to accommodate some of my complaints, but they'll have that available to everyone 11:23 -!- kulll [n=kulll@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:23 < ke4qqq> rpm wise - I merely have to get the config file squared away to deal with all of the changes I requested that they made - otherwise it looks fine. I hopefully will have something up in a few days, and plan to dedicate the weekend to working on doing final tweaking 11:23 * quaid doesn't think Infra knew they'd get such a good vetting from Docs :) 11:24 < ke4qqq> yeah I thought the 16 .htaccess files was a bit overkill 11:24 < ke4qqq> I mean I see the need, but it's drastically slower 11:25 < ke4qqq> so we'll have a dedicated .conf file to handle all of that 11:25 < ke4qqq> anyway that's just the base package 11:25 < ke4qqq> we also have IIRC 8 modules 11:26 < ke4qqq> that we'll need to package I think 11:27 < quaid> are the Zikula folks interested in co-maintaining? 11:27 < ke4qqq> yes one of the zikula guys is working on the modules 11:27 * quaid is on the watch for packages Docs relies upon that only have a single maintainer :) 11:27 < quaid> kewl 11:27 < stickster> :-) 11:28 < ke4qqq> and they actually did the first push on the core package rpm, just some packaging guidelines that needed to be addressed 11:28 * mmcgrath wonders if his notes to the list made sense about authentication 11:29 < ke4qqq> mmcgrath: they did, but honestly I wasn't aware that either of the test sites were authing yet, just that we had discussed auth 11:30 * ke4qqq notes that's another module that we'll have to build a package for - as soon as we get source 11:31 < ke4qqq> and in response to your most recent message - IIRC there is already a cmsadmin group in fas now 11:31 < ke4qqq> sparks requested it last week 11:31 < mmcgrath> k, I'll re-create it in the test system 11:32 -!- warren [n=warren@redhat/wombat/warren] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:33 < stickster> mmcgrath: I had to read between the lines a little -- what you meant is that we shouldn't be sending usernames and passphrases to a system that's not managed by the Fedora Infrastructure team, right? 11:33 < stickster> i.e. it's not a problem with Zikula or anyone else in particular, more just a general best practice. 11:33 -!- itbegins [n=itbegins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:34 < itbegins> sorry to be so late, caught up in traffic much worse than I expected 11:34 < mmcgrath> stickster: correct. 11:34 < itbegins> I've got no log, anything on the CMS you'd like me to answer? 11:34 < mmcgrath> Nothing against the zikula guys, just a policy we have is all. We generally have a test infrastructure up. 11:34 < quaid> itbegins: no worries; there'll be an IRC log afterward; ke4qqq just gave us a status of packaging and such for CMS 11:35 < mmcgrath> so we threw the test account system up so they can auth against that until we're on the publictest servers, but everything should be golden again when they change from authing against admin.fp.o to authing against pt15 is all. 11:35 < mmcgrath> we've done this before in the past. 11:35 < mmcgrath> itbegins: did you get my messages to fedora-docs about auth? 11:35 < ke4qqq> mmcgrath: will we have to revert the ssl cert verification changes? 11:35 * ke4qqq assumes so 11:35 < ke4qqq> at least for client 11:35 < itbegins> mmcgrath: Just read them, that's fine and perfectly understandable 11:36 < mmcgrath> ssl cert verification? 11:36 < mmcgrath> oh oh. 11:36 < mmcgrath> ke4qqq: yah, just for test though. Thats why they were there :) 11:36 < ke4qqq> ok - shouldn't be a problem 11:37 < mmcgrath> itbegins: kew, I'm around all afternoon if you need help with the account system. The one at publictest15 we can do whatever you want to with as far as creating and removing users and test groups. go nuts! 11:37 < mmcgrath> :) 11:37 < ke4qqq> should be fun to play with regardless 11:37 < itbegins> mmcgrath: I've pretty much got it working, the only thing I think remains is syncing with FAS groups. I plan to do that by creating groups with the same name in the CMS and just syncing on login 11:37 < mmcgrath> cool 11:38 < itbegins> There's also a fallback to the normal Zikula auth should FAS crash for any reason 11:38 < mmcgrath> itbegins: after the meeting come ping me in #fedora-admin and I'll make sure the group and your test account are all setup properly. 11:39 < itbegins> mmcgrath: Ok, thanks. I'd also like that chat about php config/security 11:39 < mmcgrath> sure thing 11:39 -!- J5 [n=quintice@nat/redhat/x-f71c8f9d3cfd209a] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:39 < itbegins> Anything else people want to know about the CMS? 11:40 -!- J5 [n=quintice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:41 < quaid> ok, we can move on then 11:41 -!- GeroldKa [n=GeroldKa@fedora/geroldka] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:42 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg :: Relnotes update 11:42 < quaid> jjmcd who cannot see ... have anything to add? 11:42 < jjmcd> No, sounds good to me 11:42 * quaid knows Alpha notes are out, ryanlerch was looking at converting to DocBook but don't know if he wanted to follow through with publishing them 11:43 * ke4qqq thought he had publicanized them already 11:43 < jjmcd> ryanlerch would like to do a routine wiki->DocBook translation 11:43 < quaid> sure 11:43 -!- zcat [n=zcat@fedora/zcat] has quit [] 11:43 < quaid> but he just ran in to the very reason we stopped :) 11:43 < ke4qqq> which is? 11:43 < quaid> it's "done" but not published 11:43 < ke4qqq> ahhh ok 11:43 < quaid> is it in git? 11:43 < quaid> can I go publish it right now? 11:44 -!- zcat [n=zcat@fedora/zcat] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:44 < quaid> cf. the wiki which is there, done, published, let's move on-able 11:44 < quaid> we all just need to be aware that each of these does add complexity 11:45 < stickster> quaid: So what you're saying... 11:45 * jjmcd sees some regression test value in a routine build, esp. if automated 11:45 < stickster> is that we can publish on the wiki instantly, but... 11:45 * stickster scratches head. 11:45 < quaid> cannot yet on docs.fp.org, yes 11:46 < stickster> Ah, right. 11:46 < stickster> So we can't just publish the Publican output HTML on docs.fedoraproject.org. 11:46 < stickster> Because... style sheets will be wrong? 11:46 < quaid> I was more drawing the lines between the dots to explain what wasn't so obvious to people, i.e., why we had moved to the wiki for Alpha/Beta notes in the past. 11:46 < stickster> Or is it because we're still converting things to PHP and stuff gets stripped in the back and forth? 11:46 < quaid> we can just publish them 11:47 < quaid> sorry, I'm not being obvious, am I? 11:47 < itbegins> stickster: Part of the stuff I'm getting done for the CMS is a pull-from-source-and-publish bash script 11:47 < stickster> quaid: No, and we should be. 11:47 < quaid> until the desire to Publicanize them came about, the task was done. 11:47 < itbegins> stickster: Which you'll be able to access through the CMS admin section. 11:47 < quaid> once that desire took hold, the task was undone and we still don't have notes published for Alpha. 11:47 < quaid> nor a method for e.g. Jesse to add last minute information and not have to wait 24 hours for all the people and pieces to align. 11:48 -!- adamw [n=AdamW@redhat/adamw] has left #fedora-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] 11:48 < jjmcd> I gotta admit, I don't see the value for alpha 11:48 < stickster> Ah, there's the rub. If there's no change freeze in place significantly before release day, this gets almost impossible for someone. 11:48 < quaid> I get that we like the idea of prettier notes, but I think it's too late for Alpha, maybe do it for Beta. 11:49 < jjmcd> But I see enormous value in a routine, automatic DocBook version of what is currently in the wiki, so that when we finally do make the published version, there are no surprises. 11:49 < stickster> quaid: Then I would say we should add a task to the Docs schedule which is a one-sheet content freeze. 11:49 < quaid> but I'm not the hammer no more to say, "Forget about it," and I don't want to be discouraging where I see challenges due to myopia. 11:49 < stickster> (as well as a conversion and publication task for the Beta relnotes one-sheet) 11:50 < stickster> Sparks should probably address this, then. 11:50 < quaid> well ... if the release notes team thinks Publican-based notes are more important than up-to-date information and ease of publishing, then yes, they should do that. 11:50 < quaid> at some point, those converge and isn't an either/or anymore 11:50 < quaid> until then ... one has to reign. 11:50 < stickster> quaid: Just to be clear, I recall why we wanted to do this only for Preview and Final. 11:51 < quaid> yeah, we'll leave this for ryan and sparks to hash out. 11:51 < jjmcd> Right answer 11:51 < quaid> stickster: yeah, I know :) 11:51 < stickster> But having it out on the table openly is important so the new folks can weigh it too. 11:52 < jjmcd> I think ryanlerch envisions wiki->DocBook on the crontab, and if he can actually do that I think its great 11:52 < jjmcd> but for the one pagers, I personally don't see the point 11:52 < quaid> stickster: yeah, was trying to do that yesterday but didn't get there I reckon. 11:52 < quaid> ok, I've noted it in the summary 11:53 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg :: Installation Guide status 11:53 < quaid> ke4qqq: have you begun to think about this? 11:53 < ke4qqq> ooh, me again 11:53 -!- cassmodiah [n=cass@fedora/cassmodiah] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:53 < ke4qqq> yes - and I am delinquent in seeking help 11:53 < quaid> we can talk with jlaska/adamw about IG testing again 11:53 < ke4qqq> I need to put a call out for writers 11:54 < ke4qqq> it looks like eawest may not be able to join us this time since she is rapidly becoming great with child 11:54 < stickster> I always liked the term "gravid" 11:54 < ke4qqq> so I need to find an editor as well. 11:55 < ke4qqq> that or I'll be writing a lot and begging one of you to edit 11:55 < ke4qqq> oh, gravid is a great term 11:55 < ke4qqq> but we have a week or two to start writing 11:56 -!- Sonar_Guy [n=Baconz@fedora/sonarguy] has quit ["Xchat destroyed by Operating System"] 11:56 < ke4qqq> I did change the owner in the owners list so stickster doesn't get besieged with tickets 11:56 -!- sdziallas [n=sebastia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:56 < quaid> yay 11:56 < stickster> w00t 11:57 < ke4qqq> I almost did the same for danielsmw and the ug, but wanted to make sure he had a bz account first 11:57 < quaid> ke4qqq: I'll be floating a bit more this time, so I'll be able to backfill. 11:57 * stickster notes mmcgrath looking for group name info on-list. Who's on the hook for that? 11:57 < ke4qqq> cool 11:57 < ke4qqq> we provided it in channel 11:57 < stickster> Oh sweet, I'm behind. That's always good. 11:58 < stickster> It means things are moving on well without me and I can, y'know, take a nap instead. 11:58 < ke4qqq> that's what fearless project leaders are supposed to do, no? 11:58 < stickster> That and eat peeled grapes, exactly. 11:58 < jjmcd> If you were napping then you wouldnt have anything to tweet about 11:58 -!- k0k [n=k0k@fedora/k0k] has quit ["Saliendo"] 11:58 < stickster> At least, that's what I keep telling my wife. 11:59 < quaid> ok, we are about out of time 11:59 -!- mcepl [n=mcepl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:59 < quaid> we'll do meeting time change on list 11:59 < quaid> the other guides ... well, how about discuss those on list, too 11:59 < quaid> anthing else in the waning minute? 11:59 * quaid moving so fast he's levng ltrs behnd 12:00 -!- balor [n=balor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:00 * stickster +1 12:00 * stickster then moves to adjourn 12:00 < quaid> rock on 12:00 * quaid counts 12:00 < quaid> 5 12:00 < quaid> 4 12:00 < quaid> 3 12:00 < quaid> 2 12:00 < quaid> 1 12:00 < quaid> </meeting> -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41
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