20:13:25 <jsmith> <meeting id="fdsco-11Jun2008"> 20:13:33 <jsmith> <rolecall> 20:13:38 <jsmith> JaredSmith here 20:14:10 <couf> BartCouvreur at the table 20:14:31 * jsmith has changed the topic to: FDSCo Meeting -- Get your docs on! 20:15:24 <quaid> KarstenWade arriveth 20:15:26 <jsmith> PaulWFrields is here in spirit 20:15:31 <quaid> jit, too 20:15:37 <jsmith> quaid: :-) 20:15:50 <jsmith> OK... If nobody else is here, let's start w/ the agenda 20:15:55 <quaid> rock on 20:15:56 <jsmith> (and no, there is no agenda) 20:16:03 <quaid> :D 20:16:07 <jsmith> Let's go off of last week's agenda, then 20:16:09 <quaid> ok, where did we leave last week? 20:16:11 <couf> okay, </meeting> ? :) 20:16:21 * jsmith has changed the topic to: FDSCo Meeting -- Leadership Changes 20:16:22 <quaid> har! 20:16:32 <quaid> couf: hey, don't mess with my search terms! 20:16:33 <quaid> ;-D 20:16:46 <jsmith> Any more comments with regards to leadership changes? 20:16:48 <quaid> so I got an email on the governance out, no cries in protest 20:16:58 <quaid> (total silence, actually) 20:17:04 <jsmith> Shall we elect stickster our puppet dictator for life while he's not looking? 20:17:11 <couf> actually, does this needs to go to the Board, quaid board-member? 20:17:18 <couf> jsmith: +1 20:17:27 <quaid> couf: nope, and I'll tell ya why 20:17:39 <stickster> quaid: +1, "nope." 20:17:40 <quaid> the Board doesn't (or will remove?) specifics about governance like that 20:17:57 <couf> all righty :) 20:17:57 <jsmith> Fair enough... 20:17:59 <quaid> a subProj needs to have it's own governance control 20:18:10 <jsmith> ... with lack of complain to quaid's email, I say we make it so 20:18:12 <quaid> so we can hold elections and appoint to fill gaps, just self-appoint, whatever 20:18:19 <quaid> expand/contract to meet the needs as we go 20:18:29 * jmtaylor (n=jason@fedora/jmtaylor) has joined #fedora-meeting 20:18:33 <quaid> ratify new lack of leaders? awesome 20:18:36 * quaid kids 20:18:44 <couf> heh, cool :) 20:18:46 <jsmith> quaid: Exactly! All in favor, raise your left toe! 20:19:21 * quaid raises his left toe 20:19:28 <jsmith> quaid: Leaders are people with experience. Experience is what you get *after* you need it. Hence, we need to throw problems at people to turn them into leaders. 20:19:29 <quaid> everyone at this cafe is looking at me strangely now 20:19:39 <jsmith> quaid: I'll bet :-) 20:19:58 <quaid> jsmith: hammer, meet nail 20:20:13 <jsmith> OK, anything else to discuss before moving on to the next topic at hand? 20:20:47 * jsmith has changed the topic to: FDSCo Meeting -- Release Notes 20:20:55 <jsmith> OK, where do we stand on the release notes? 20:21:05 <jsmith> I was out last week (teaching), so I'm not sure where we stand 20:21:07 <quaid> you know 20:21:09 <quaid> that was done last week 20:21:18 <quaid> I think the last items on the agenda were not all the way touched 20:21:23 <jsmith> Gotcha :-) 20:21:37 * quaid looks at summary 20:21:41 <stickster> And I made no progress since then on this item, truth be told :-( 20:21:44 <jsmith> I'm doing this blind ;-) 20:21:55 <quaid> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-June/msg00016.html 20:21:56 * couf neither 20:22:10 <quaid> we got as far as Sec Guide staying in the wiki until further notice 20:22:14 <quaid> and doing it as a wiki-based doc for now 20:22:26 <jsmith> Right... 20:23:00 <jsmith> OK... do we need to cover Wiki Gardening again, or move on to "Active content"? 20:23:02 * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo is talking about ... Active content (publish, edit, write) 20:23:12 <quaid> sorry :) 20:23:23 <jsmith> I will try to make some time over the next week or so to work on the GIG 20:23:27 <jsmith> (getting involved guide) 20:23:31 * herlo is actually here 20:23:33 <quaid> please help make [[Help:Wiki Structure]] make sense, is all 20:23:38 <quaid> yes, it's GIG time 20:23:42 <jsmith> I need to do some more writing to keep my sanity 20:23:48 <quaid> how about breaking it into beats? (of sort) 20:23:49 <jsmith> herlo: Feel free to join in 20:23:55 <jsmith> quaid: Sure... not a bad idea 20:23:58 <herlo> jsmith: want some help on that this weekend?? 20:24:12 <quaid> like, I wanted to work on the pure develper part (getting hosted space, etc.) 20:24:15 * herlo has some time on Saturday not taken up yet :) 20:24:17 <quaid> and now want to add an ISV component 20:24:38 <quaid> ok, I'm going to edit the Summary to assign folks to spots 20:24:52 <quaid> we can move this later 20:24:59 <jsmith> quaid: I'd be happy to take some of the other parts... let me find a spot or two, and I'll get back to you offline 20:25:07 <jsmith> herlo: Can't over the weekend... -ENOTIME 20:25:13 * spot looks up 20:25:32 <herlo> lol 20:26:00 <quaid> that must happen as often as people expanding q:(uestion) in to quaid 20:26:02 <herlo> well, I guess I'll do what I can and give you feedback 20:26:38 <jsmith> OK... how 'bout the User Guide... anybody actively writing content for it? 20:26:43 <jsmith> Now's the time to step up! 20:27:16 <herlo> well, I've decided to contribute with screencasts 20:27:19 <quaid> iirc it's very close to ready for F9 20:27:22 <couf> the idea was to really push the GIG first, iirc 20:27:26 <quaid> and prioritized behind the IG 20:27:30 <quaid> GIG, yeah 20:27:45 <jsmith> OK... 20:27:47 * AndreasR (n=medic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined #fedora-meeting 20:28:09 <herlo> how much stuff is left on the User Guide? I've been *so* out of hte loop lately... 20:28:23 <jsmith> herlo: We all have :-) 20:28:28 <quaid> there is a page ... 20:28:43 <quaid> or the front page of the draft has status? 20:29:19 <jsmith> Yeah, it has edit status, which gives a fairly good idea of what's done and what's not 20:29:32 * herlo is on that page now https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide 20:30:08 <herlo> I'm updating my sections to DONE 20:30:12 * jsmith has changed the topic to: FDSCo is talking about ... Cleaning up project lists 20:30:16 <herlo> looks like the move didn't get those changes 20:30:34 <jsmith> OK... so I'm not sure what this means... 20:30:51 <jsmith> quaid: Care to enlighten us on what you mean by "Cleaning up project lists"? 20:30:55 <jsmith> Mailing lists? 20:30:58 <jsmith> Lists of documents? 20:30:59 <quaid> sparks ? 20:31:04 <quaid> I think that was his item 20:31:06 * harrison1 is now known as harrisony 20:31:10 <jsmith> Hmmmmn... 20:31:18 <jsmith> All in favor of cleaning them up?!? 20:31:34 <quaid> um 20:31:35 <herlo> ooh, wait.. This is for F9, and it doesn't have Pup and Pirut, but PackageKit. I see... 20:31:57 <jsmith> I vote we DEFER the discussion of project lists cleanup until next week 20:32:35 <quaid> ding on sparks, he didn't explain his agenda additions in the changelog :( 20:32:46 * jsmith has changed the topic to: FDSCo is talking about ... All other business 20:33:14 <quaid> or wait ... who put that on the agenda? 20:33:19 <jsmith> So, I wont be at FUDCon, so somebody's gotta do a talk on the Docs Project (and maybe introduce people to Wiki and/or DocBook) 20:33:32 <couf> quaid: wasn't me 20:33:33 * jnettlet has quit ("Ex-Chat") 20:33:53 <jsmith> quaid: Wasn't me 20:34:16 <couf> yeah I won't be at FUDCon too, but might be able to do one for the FUDCon in Praghue 20:34:26 <quaid> ah 20:34:34 <quaid> this is an item that predates the migration 20:34:38 <quaid> ok, fudcon talk 20:34:49 <quaid> doesn't paul have that on the barcamp list? 20:34:53 <jsmith> I hope so! 20:35:15 <quaid> there ya go 20:35:47 <jsmith> Yeah, he does 20:35:59 <jsmith> Looks like he copied it from our previous presentation 20:36:04 <quaid> ok, if he needs help, I'll do it, as long as I'm not conflicted with another commitment 20:36:09 <jsmith> Cool... 20:36:18 * jsmith wishes he had an extra week this month to be able to sneak up to Boston 20:37:03 <jsmith> Any other topics that need to be discussed? 20:37:10 <quaid> hmm 20:37:23 <quaid> been some chat on f-devel-l about the wiki 20:37:29 <quaid> appreciate that we were alerted and such 20:37:32 <jsmith> I have one, but I'm afraid it'll make the meeting drag on too long, and I'd really like stickster to be here for it, so I'll defer 20:37:38 <quaid> ok 20:37:40 <jsmith> Oh? 20:37:53 <quaid> just people trying to figure out the stuff we should have told them already :) 20:38:05 <quaid> so we need to work on more communication and help pages 20:38:11 <jsmith> Gotcha 20:38:16 <stickster> quaid: roger the fudcon session. 20:38:28 <quaid> main thing is getting Help:Wiki Structure so it tells people how to make new pages and spaces 20:39:09 <stickster> quaid: Can you help keep an eye on that during the BarCamp scheduling time in the morning? Making sure that, if possible, it doesn't conflict with your other desired sessions? 20:39:12 * MrTom (n=mrtom@fedora/MrTom) has joined #fedora-meeting 20:39:15 <quaid> stickster: did you add the "Clean up Projects list?" agenda item? 20:39:21 <quaid> stickster: ok 20:39:34 <stickster> quaid: Hm. I don't recall. 20:40:04 <quaid> yeah, looks like maybe you did 20:40:22 <quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wikiold/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings?action=recall&rev=125 20:40:34 <quaid> ok, then we'll consider it done until you remember and add it back in 20:40:50 <jsmith> OK... last chance to shout out! 20:40:58 <couf> yo 20:41:06 <couf> small thing, just fyi 20:41:15 * jsmith passes the microphone to couf 20:41:41 <couf> I'm working on trying to make publishing docs to docs.fp.o similar to how the main static site is built 20:42:03 <couf> and as such, to have the new layout and such 20:42:06 * JSchmitt has quit ("Konversation terminated!") 20:42:31 <quaid> going to move the code to the git-web? 20:42:35 <quaid> or a new project for just docs? 20:42:46 <couf> not sure there 20:42:46 * quaid thinks he votes for the latter, so Docs can add people independent of Web 20:42:54 <couf> don't want to overload fedora-web 20:43:00 <couf> and that too 20:43:20 * mmcgrath agrees with quaid on that, and new repos are generally cheap. 20:43:20 * Sparks (n=Sparks@fedora/Sparks) has joined #fedora-meeting 20:43:27 <quaid> we also need to start a tools project, so we can start to integrate our toolchain with publican somewhere new without CVS baggage :) 20:43:44 * Sparks is here 20:43:47 <quaid> couf: +1 thanks for working on that, long been bothering me but keep not getting ahead to it 20:44:05 <quaid> Sparks: sorry, I sullied your good name earlier :D 20:44:13 <Sparks> quaid: What did I do now? 20:44:16 <jsmith> Yeah... +1 to couf for working on that 20:44:21 * jsmith waves to Sparks 20:44:38 <quaid> Sparks: nothing, it turns out :) 20:44:52 <Sparks> quaid: I usually do nothing... 20:45:05 <quaid> Sparks: I thought you'd added an agenda item without explaining it in the agenda or in the commit comment log 20:45:13 <quaid> *bdum psh* 20:45:30 <couf> :) 20:45:35 <jsmith> OK... I think we're about ready to wrap up the meeting 20:45:35 <Sparks> quaid: And I didn't? Wow, that's amazing all by itself. I'll try harder next time. 20:45:53 <quaid> word 20:45:55 <jsmith> Speak now or forever (or until next week) hold your peace 20:45:58 <jsmith> 10... 20:46:00 <jsmith> 9... 20:46:02 <jsmith> 8... 20:46:03 <jsmith> 7... 20:46:05 <jsmith> 6... 20:46:08 <jsmith> 5... 20:46:10 <jsmith> 4... 20:46:13 <jsmith> 3.14159.... 20:46:17 <jsmith> 2... 20:46:17 <couf> quaid: wtf is ISV? 20:46:23 * jsmith pauses the countdown 20:46:31 <jsmith> Independent Systems Vendor? 20:46:37 <quaid> s/systems/software/ 20:46:49 <quaid> IHV = Intel, ISV = Red Hat, Alfresco, etc. 20:46:56 <couf> ah kay, check 20:46:58 <quaid> otoh, Intel does ISV work, too :) 20:47:06 <quaid> jsmith: go ahead and finish lad 20:47:07 <jsmith> quaid: Confusing world we live in, isn't it 20:47:07 * Gaaruto has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20:47:09 <jsmith> 1... 20:47:12 <jsmith> </meeting> -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list
