HTML version: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minutes/IRCLog20070821 09:02 < quaid> <meeting> 09:03 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda 09:03 -!- Irssi: #fedora-docs: Total of 29 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 28 normal] 09:03 < quaid> nman64, stickster, StillBob, couf, glezos, EvilBob, vpv -- good $time_of_day 09:04 < couf> same to ya quaid 09:04 < quaid> jmbuser, hmmm, that's who isn't on that list 09:04 < quaid> but he was on Wiki earlier 09:04 < quaid> anyway, we can get started as-is 09:04 < quaid> couf: how are ya? 09:05 * EvilBob is in a phone meeting 09:05 < quaid> ok, let's run down the agenda so we can get to the fun stuff 09:05 < couf> bit sick, but overall doing well, got bit tied up in life last months, trying to catch up 09:06 -!- JonRob [n=jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 09:06 < quaid> one-sheet release notes ... f13, we're planning on following the same style we made up last time, which is the one-sheet of notes on the Wiki for test1 and test2, have test3 be the first 'beta release notes', then lock them for trans for gold 09:07 -!- |DrJef| [n=onefjef@fedora/Jef] has joined #fedora-docs 09:07 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#relnotes-schedule 09:08 < f13> quaid: ok, so you'll have something new in fedora-release-notes for test2? 09:08 < quaid> f13: not on that schedule; nothing new in the package until test3 09:08 < f13> quaid: also, I want to talk about the file layout in release-notes. For the HTML/ content can we do HTML/release-notes/<lang>/ and HTML/readme-burning-isos/<lang>/ ? 09:09 < quaid> I'd like stickster input on that question 09:09 < quaid> he's so distracted at work he forgot to add _work to his nick :) 09:09 < f13> This way I can just grab the release-nots and readme-burning-isos directories and plop them on the iso and have translated content there, and copy the English verisons to the top dir as well. 09:09 < f13> heh 09:09 < glezos> yo 09:09 < quaid> f13: maybe we can do the new file layout with blank content for test2? 09:10 < quaid> then you can test all the deploy toolage 09:10 < f13> quaid: I'd appreciate it, gives us the time to get it right in Anaconda. 09:10 < quaid> makes sense 09:10 < couf> +1 09:10 < quaid> f13: same deadline on those package changes as the rest of the packages then 09:11 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/Schedule?action=show&redirect=Schedule 09:11 < quaid> umm, so, that would be ... 28 Aug 09:13 < quaid> ok, schedule updated 09:13 < quaid> f13: thanks, I think that's it; I'll make sure Paul sees the minutes and you guys can discuss the changes 09:13 < glezos> f13, are we going forward with the renaming of the ISO files? 09:14 < quaid> so one the one-sheet ... 09:14 < quaid> actually, f13 is there anyone in RelEng or Testing with a good overview to own content for the one-sheet? 09:15 < quaid> maybe ask wwoods? 09:15 < f13> quaid: poelcat might have good content regarding features 09:15 < quaid> f13: well, that's for the final relnotes, yes 09:15 < f13> we should have some blurbs for test2 as well, since features need to be in a testable state, and we want them tested. 09:15 < quaid> f13: the one-sheet can have a pointer to that content on the wiki 09:16 < f13> it's not easy to grok from the wiki what needs testing and how 09:16 < quaid> f13: but it will need latest, updated info about the test release 09:16 < f13> shouldn't be hard to come up with some stuff in a week 09:16 * quaid forgets the Wiki namespace we used last time 09:16 < quaid> we also want a pointer to that from wherever people look for relnotes on the ISO 09:16 < couf> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F8Test1/ReleaseNotes 09:17 < quaid> so ... in the package? on the Firefox homepage? 09:17 < quaid> couf: thx 09:17 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-docs 09:18 < quaid> ok, I asked wwoods to drop by about http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F8Test2/ReleaseNotes (next version) 09:18 < quaid> I think Fedora Docs has done it's part there, unless we need to update `fedora-release-notes` package with pointers to that page? 09:19 < couf> what was in the package for T1? 09:19 < quaid> dunno 09:20 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:20 < quaid> but one thing that happened on F7t1 was people looked in the ISO and wondered where the content was, so we need pointers from there, i think 09:20 * quaid tosses a quarter in the 'buy jmbuser a better country to get broadband from' fund jar 09:21 < couf> right, so say we add a small .txt in the top-dir which point to f8t2/relnotes 09:21 < quaid> or do we want to update the default browser page? 09:22 < couf> hmm yeah, that's part of the package :-/ 09:23 < quaid> how about this ... 09:23 < quaid> let's push that decision to Paul to review when updating the package paths and such with jesse 09:24 < couf> aye, maybe best 09:24 < quaid> ok then 09:24 < quaid> we need to get started on the Beats 09:25 < quaid> and that may dovetail into the overall "activating contributors" discussion 09:25 < quaid> but at the least, a reminder to beat writers to fire up their keyboards ... 09:25 < quaid> FWN has been great at this; the weekly beat updating is coo 09:25 < quaid> cool 09:25 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-docs 09:26 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:26 < glezos> quaid, really cool. 09:26 < quaid> that's all i have on that topic 09:27 < quaid> just hoping to broaden help there 09:27 < quaid> get Testing and RelEng and f-maintainers to actually contribute 09:27 < quaid> ok, next is the IG ... 09:27 -!- jmbuser_ [n=jmbuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-docs 09:27 < glezos> quaid, sending reminders is always a good idea I guess 09:27 < quaid> here's what I'm thinking on that, and I need to take this on list but here's the warning alvo 09:27 < quaid> s/alvo/salvo/ 09:28 < quaid> I think the only things we can commit to for 8 are relnotes + IG 09:28 * quaid sees black text there, that was weird 09:28 < quaid> I think the only things we can commit to for F8 are relnotes + IG 09:29 -!- jmbuser_ [n=jmbuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:29 < quaid> sorry, had a Ctrl+F in there :) 09:30 < quaid> anyway 09:30 < glezos> quaid, does the DUG need updating for F8? 09:30 < quaid> dude 09:30 < quaid> it needs updating for _F7_ 09:30 < quaid> this is no skin on the people involved 09:30 < quaid> this is across the whole project 09:30 < quaid> we have mainly failed to be able to maintain full guides 09:31 -!- JonRob [n=jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-docs 09:31 < glezos> quaid, what I meant was that it's kind of a non-release-specific doc. 09:31 < glezos> quaid, agreed on that 09:31 -!- couf_ [n=bart@fedora/couf] has joined #fedora-docs 09:31 < quaid> my hope is that opening the Wiki to more contributors will help with the small one-off, how-to, and maybe we'll be able to draw from that somehow 09:31 < quaid> glezos: well, yes, but there are always changes that need to be tweaked across release 09:31 < couf_> sorry, power failed here 09:31 < glezos> quaid, right 09:31 -!- couf [n=bart@fedora/couf] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 09:32 -!- couf_ is now known as couf 09:32 < quaid> but i think as a project, the only things we've proven ourselves consistently able to deliver are: 09:32 < quaid> * release notes 09:32 < quaid> * installation guide 09:32 < quaid> * really freaking awesome tools 09:32 < quaid> and that is all a testament to the interests of the people involved 09:32 < quaid> so I'm tempted to just work with that for this release 09:33 < quaid> anyway, like i said, a good topic for the list 09:33 < quaid> just heads up to what I'm personally thinking/feeling 09:34 < quaid> so, on to more interesting stuff 09:34 < quaid> it appears we are near the end of "Summer" for the various coding projects 09:34 * couf needs to run for a while, will keep watching though 09:34 < quaid> my major concern is helping everyone finish successful 09:34 < quaid> *fully 09:35 < quaid> vpv: what do you need from the mentor side? what is the timing/schedule we are working with? 09:35 < quaid> glezos: I think I know what GSoC needs from me; how do you think things are going? 09:36 < quaid> nman64: daMaestro isn't around, but let us know if you need anything from this group for the GSoC stuff 09:36 < glezos> quaid, my goals in terms of development were reached a while ago 09:36 < vpv> quaid: I'm having some problems with DocBook, other than that, it seems to be alright. I have time at least until August 31, probably even a couple of days after that 09:36 -!- wfoster [i=wfoster@nat/redhat/x-330892ca034367aa] has joined #fedora-docs 09:37 < quaid> glezos: yeah, you make it easy for me 09:37 < glezos> quaid, deployment might take some time to make sure security is OK 09:37 < quaid> ok 09:38 * glezos notes that GSoC says that students should be judged for their code as it was on August 20 09:38 < nman64> quaid: daMaestro sent me what he had yesterday. I'll be reviewing it ASAP. 09:39 < glezos> quaid, I'll do a fresh install of transifex to make sure the install instructions are ok and let you know to check the code out. 09:40 < quaid> glezos: thanks 09:41 < quaid> we have a transifex user for Fedora? or one for testing? 09:41 * quaid wants to setup locally and commit from here 09:42 < quaid> I can also use e.g. another SVN I own as a test spot; set it up to be an upstream for a translator 09:42 < quaid> ok, that's cool then ... 09:42 < glezos> quaid, no transifex user for Fedora. 09:42 < glezos> quaid, transifex initializes 4 local repos to play with 09:42 < quaid> ok,cool 09:43 < quaid> moving on .... 09:43 * quaid waits a second or two first 09:44 < quaid> so on to election stuff 09:44 < quaid> so, the irony is ... 09:45 < quaid> no one seems to have the time to work on making an election happen 09:45 < quaid> which means we are all derelict of duty and should resign as unable to fulfill our duties as leaders 09:45 < quaid> which means an election would be needed to fill the seats 09:45 < glezos> lol 09:45 < quaid> etc. ... 09:46 < quaid> I'd bring this up on list, but I'm getting a little tire of only talking with Paul and Rahul on there 09:46 < quaid> s/tire/tired/ 09:46 < glezos> elections every 6 months are probably a bit overkill 09:46 < quaid> maybe so 09:48 < glezos> quaid, do you think it might help it we asked people what do they think we are doing wrong as a project? 09:48 < quaid> hmm ... well, yes, but ... 09:48 < glezos> or, to rephrase, what we could do better? What prevents them from contributing and participating? 09:48 < quaid> will people only read it if that is the Subject:? 09:48 * couf returns 09:48 < quaid> because it looks to me like there has been such discussion on list 09:49 < quaid> glezos: could you drop a quick email with that question? might as well ask it straight out 09:49 < quaid> and maybe we are trying to do too much or with too many tools or something, I dunno 09:49 < glezos> quaid, ok, was thinking of suggesting that 09:49 < glezos> quaid, and too few active contributors 09:49 < quaid> yeah 09:49 < quaid> we have enough folks here right now to vote to postpone elections, I reckon 09:50 < quaid> couf, EvilBob - the question on the table is, should we postpone the elections until the next yearly cycle, figuring that 6 months is too often for FDP? 09:50 < quaid> we discussed this initially and weren't sure then, either 09:50 < EvilBob> quaid: +1 09:50 < couf> quaid: +1 09:50 < glezos> quaid, +1 09:50 < quaid> fwiw, we can still elect a new chair :) 09:51 < quaid> well, +1 from me since I proposed it :) 09:51 < EvilBob> I have just been swamped here again to ge the leg work done 09:51 < EvilBob> Just when I think I will have 20 minutes to get it going anything comes up 09:52 < quaid> I'd rather our energy on what matters for the release 09:52 < quaid> that after all is the Prime Imperative 09:52 < quaid> well, that was easy 09:53 < EvilBob> -1 on new chair 09:53 < quaid> I propose we take the discussion about activating contributors to the list 09:53 < quaid> EvilBob: I see the plan, keep me too busy to resign? 09:53 < couf> +1 to the plan :-) 09:53 < quaid> ... and with that discussion moving, we can either AOB or close the meeting 09:54 < EvilBob> new chair should happen after the election that should have happened last week, with that getting pushed 6 more months I think the chair has to wait also 09:54 < EvilBob> quaid: however If you need to step down none of us will hold it against you 09:55 < quaid> well, I didn't propose it yet, but I get the point that time is passing 09:55 * EvilBob motions to close the meeting 09:55 < quaid> 2nd! 09:55 < quaid> 5 ... 09:55 < quaid> 4 ... 09:55 < quaid> 3 ... 09:55 < quaid> 2 ... 09:55 < quaid> psyche! 09:55 < quaid> </meeting>
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