HTMl available at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minutes/IRCLog20070717 ---- 09:06 < quaid> <meeting> 09:06 < quaid> then we can discuss that :) 09:06 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda 09:07 < jmbuser> JohnBabich 09:07 < quaid> KarstenWade 09:07 < quaid> anyone else around? couf? glezos? Bob? 09:07 < quaid> many, quiet around here ... 09:09 < jmbuser> KC0WYC: ping 09:09 < quaid> jmbuser: so, what did you think? are you familiar with content workflows like that? 09:10 < jmbuser> quaid: Yes, I am 09:11 < jmbuser> quaid: I like most of it - I prefer to reserve staging for things waiting to be put into production 09:11 < jmbuser> quaid: I prefer calling it something else 09:12 < jmbuser> quaid: Similar to developing code in large shops 09:13 < jmbuser> quaid: test / staging / production for coding 09:13 < jmbuser> quaid: draft / CVS storage / published for docs... something like that 09:14 < jmbuser> quaid: Is that just semantics? 09:14 -!- EvilBob [n=bob@fedora/pdpc.sustaining.BobJensen] has joined #Fedora-Docs 09:15 < quaid> jmbuser: kind of 09:15 < jmbuser> quaid: Then, treat it accordingly :-) 09:15 < quaid> jmbuser: it might be Plone usage, in which case it is easier to accept than to reeducate at every turn 09:16 < quaid> at least, I got from daMaestro that it was plone language, but I could be wrong 09:16 < jmbuser> quaid: I can live with that 09:16 * quaid is glad that someone else who understands content workflows is doing a sanity check 09:17 < quaid> our point is to make it possible for 10x the people to be publishers, so it should all be easier in the end 09:17 < jmbuser> quaid: +1 09:17 < quaid> I think stickster_work made his points on list 09:19 -!- rlingk [n=devnull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-docs 09:20 * quaid finishes looking at the diagrams again 09:20 < quaid> I think we can push for a ratification on list 09:21 < jmbuser> quaid: What gives me hope is that someone who is a translator is working on it, so he gets it and takes it into account 09:23 < jmbuser> quaid: Not to diminish the contribution of us monolinguists 09:23 < quaid> hey, if this was any other part of Fedora, they'd probably forget l10n 09:23 < quaid> ok, email sent on that subject requesting final questions and/or ratification 09:24 < jmbuser> quaid: +1 09:24 < quaid> ok, on to the next item .. 09:24 < quaid> http://vpv.kapsi.fi/blog/2007/07/16/weekly-report-week-28/ 09:25 < quaid> just to get vpv's report into the record :) 09:26 < vpv> I'm here. As you can see, there are some problems, but they should be manageable 09:26 < quaid> vpv: no worries, you seem to have it handled; 09:26 < quaid> vpv: are you getting the kind of responses you need on f-devel-l? 09:27 < quaid> I'm wondering if some tips about e.g. XMLRPC might be useful 09:28 < vpv> right now I really don't need thay much more than coding ;) 09:28 < quaid> yeah, that is a good call 09:28 < quaid> worry about performance later :) 09:28 < jmbuser> vpv: Do you have a way to parse "info" now? 09:29 < vpv> probably the only way to solve the XMLRPC slowness would be profiling, since the calls are correct and they work... 09:29 < vpv> jmbuser: the only way I've come up with is to download upstream sources from CVS 09:29 < vpv> or optionally from SRPM repos 09:30 < vpv> since I haven't found or there might not even be an info -> DocBook XML converter 09:30 * quaid doubts there is 09:30 < quaid> would probably make TeX fans roll over in their chairs 09:31 -!- rlingk [n=devnull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has left #fedora-docs ["Leaving"] 09:32 < quaid> ok, then ... 09:33 < quaid> vpv: anything you can think that will make it _easier_ on you, let me know, I might be able to help :) 09:33 < quaid> moving on ... 09:33 < vpv> ok :) 09:33 < quaid> election planning ... 09:34 < quaid> just making sure we don't get behind there, I think we're ok 09:34 < quaid> that and guide talk ... 09:35 < quaid> jmbuser: with your limited availability, how can we have your time be able to help the other writers contribute/finish the DUG? 09:35 * quaid ponders this for himself _all_the_time_ 09:36 < jmbuser> quaid: Were my tasks useful or should I break them down further? 09:36 < quaid> jmbuser: good question, let me look at them that way ... 09:38 < quaid> jmbuser: ok, seems reasonable for now 09:38 < quaid> jmbuser: maybe some more chatter on the list? 09:38 < quaid> people often have a "sudden few hours", are reading their lists, and if there is a fresh request, they are more likely to dive into it 09:38 < quaid> so, if the "tasks are updated, have at it" sits for a few weeks ... 09:39 < quaid> maybe people wonder if it is still happening? etc. 09:39 < jmbuser> quaid: I can post to the list and update my blog more often 09:39 < quaid> jmbuser: like I said, trying to think of, "If John only has 10 minutes for Fedora Docs today/this week/etc., what is a way he can have a bigger impact than e.g. editing a paragraph." 09:40 < jmbuser> quaid: Things are finally getting under control at work 09:40 < quaid> that's good 09:41 * quaid is going more out of control :) 09:41 < jmbuser> quaid: I would have to say that defining tasks and promoting greater participation... 09:41 < quaid> jmbuser: just a 'leadership thinking' idea I'm passing along, that's all; I often find myself doing something small and silly just to be doing something, and I try to remember to think of an overarching way I can make a difference. 09:42 < jmbuser> quaid: would be a good use of my time right now 09:42 < quaid> for example, if I didn't read that post but instead wrote up our minutes ... 09:42 < quaid> jmbuser: sounds great; let's find a way to make that chatter on the list, too 09:42 < quaid> ok, that's all of that for me 09:42 < quaid> anything else from anyone else? 09:43 < quaid> ok, closing the meeting in 30 seconds ... 09:44 -!- nman64 [n=n-man@fedora/nman64] has joined #fedora-docs 09:44 < jmbuser> +1 09:49 < quaid> </meeting>
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