HTML version of this is at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minutes/IRCLog20070605 09:15 < quaid> <meeting> 09:16 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda 09:16 < quaid> JonRob: you happen to be around? 09:16 < quaid> who else is working on the Live Spin Guide 09:16 < JonRob> quaid: yeah 09:16 < couf> we're having a cvs+xml tutorial on Thursday to start them up 09:17 < JonRob> i've started writing the text however 09:17 < JonRob> and it's about 2/3 the way through, at least covering revisor 09:17 < couf> JonRob: excellent 09:17 < JonRob> grabbed loads of stuff from revisor.fedoraunity and edited for docs style 09:17 < JonRob> (tried to edit :D) 09:18 < JonRob> quaid: and to answer your original question, I don't know 09:18 < JonRob> jmbuser was interested? 09:19 < jmbuser> One advantage of wiki collaboration 09:19 < jmbuser> jmbuser: is easy to determine state of a document 09:19 * jmbuser talks to himself again 09:19 < JonRob> i'm happy to throw what i've got so far onto the wiki 09:20 < JonRob> and then port to cvs 09:20 < jmbuser> JobRob: Let me know where it is in CVS and I can view it with yelp 09:20 < jmbuser> JonRob: (Freudian slip?) LOL 09:21 < JonRob> lol 09:21 < jmbuser> JonRob: CVS is fine 09:21 < JonRob> well it's not in cvs yet, cos i don't know how to get it in there :p 09:21 < couf> yeah, once you use it, you'll see that it works likewise as the wiki 09:21 < couf> it's just some more tagging 09:21 < jmbuser> JonRob: Then the wiki is fine for now 09:22 < JonRob> ok, it's on other comp so i'll throw it up later this evening 09:22 < JonRob> say about 1900utc +1 09:22 < quaid> IME, you'll get a faster kick-off if you go with the Wiki 09:22 < quaid> thenn convert 09:22 < jmbuser> JonRob: No problem 09:22 < jmbuser> quaid: +1 09:22 < quaid> there are many people who will not contribute outside of the wiki 09:23 < quaid> when we have Plone + Kupu, that will get traction, but in the meantime ... 09:23 < JonRob> quaid: yeah, we've been having a lot of discussion about best place to put it 09:23 < JonRob> on that subject 09:23 < JonRob> what's happening with plone? 09:23 < JonRob> and what's kupu? subject for another time? 09:24 * couf needs to run for some minutes 09:27 < quaid> sorry, jumped networks 09:28 < quaid> JonRob: Plone coming over the Summer, Kupu is an XHTML WYSIWYG editor built into Plone 09:28 < JonRob> cool 09:28 < JonRob> thnx 09:29 < quaid> ok, any else on this topic? 09:30 < jmbuser> I'm cool 09:30 < quaid> ok 09:30 * jmbuser loves irclog2html.py - thanks, quaid - see the agenda 09:30 < quaid> word! 09:31 < quaid> heh 09:31 < quaid> ok, on to the UG 09:31 < quaid> along with the Live Spin, this is our top focus 09:31 < quaid> status and thoughts? 09:32 -!- gomix [n=gomix@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has left #fedora-docs [] 09:32 < jmbuser> quaid: I have downloaded the GNOME and KDE Live CDs 09:32 < jmbuser> quaid: I'm about to upgrade to F7 09:32 < quaid> jmbuser: how about the team organization, etc.? 09:33 < jmbuser> quaid: Sorry, I just finished up my day job rush - and am now ready to roll 09:33 < quaid> right, end of Q is done :) 09:33 < quaid> making sure the team is enabled is #1 09:33 < jmbuser> quaid: Therefore, not much team organizing 09:33 < jmbuser> quaid: true 09:33 < quaid> then stuff happens while you sleep 09:33 < quaid> so, there have been requests for a "to do" list 09:34 < quaid> that would be a great place to start, then announce it to the list 09:35 < jmbuser> quaid: So far , no volunteers from the KDE team (AFAIK) - (hint to ongoing meeting in fedora-meeting channel) :-) 09:35 < jmbuser> quaid: Agreed on the "to do" list 09:37 < jmbuser> Now that I have the F7 spins, I will list the "default" apps for each spins and ask for writers 09:38 < jmbuser> quaid: Agreed? 09:39 < JonRob> jmbuser: how detailed are we going to be? 09:39 < JonRob> i've removed a lot of screenshots from the backend of the guide 09:39 < JonRob> and updated some content 09:39 * couf returns 09:39 < JonRob> and created sections for new material to be added 09:39 < JonRob> but i don't know how detailed we're going? 09:40 < jmbuser> JonRob: That is a good contribution on the GNOME side of the house - much appreciated BTW 09:40 < JonRob> jmbuser: np 09:41 < jmbuser> JonRob: Setting up Evolution is an example of how detailed I think we should go. 09:41 < JonRob> but...are we going to add more info about how to use evolution aswell? 09:41 < jmbuser> jmbuser: For instance, Firefox in itself is an ocean one can swim in for days 09:42 < jmbuser> JonRob: Not being an Evolution user, I would gladly accept more detail from someone more knowledgeable on the subject. 09:42 < JonRob> ha...i've used it in the past, but not so much anymore 09:42 < JonRob> so we're happy to have stuff about how to use it? 09:42 < JonRob> it being $program 09:43 < couf> beware that we've got to go indepth for all subjects if we're doing this 09:43 < jmbuser> I believe it still is a default app in GNOME - is that right? 09:43 < JonRob> yeah 09:44 < JonRob> couf: good point, but should we not be aiming for something like that? 09:44 < JonRob> or is that above and beyond? 09:44 < jmbuser> This is where it is important to determine the target audience - the beginning user 09:45 < jmbuser> My wife is a former mainframe programmer and pretty savvy, but she complains that I don't give enough detail sometimes 09:45 < couf> jmbuser: right on the button 09:45 < jmbuser> That's where walking through the program's basic features is valuable. 09:46 < couf> I'm feeling this will take a long run, maybe target F8? 09:46 < JonRob> i've added material to the firefox along those lines 09:46 < jmbuser> Then, you can point the user to other places for further information 09:46 < JonRob> have people looked at those pages? is that about right for detail? 09:46 < JonRob> because that wasn't *huge* amounts of work 09:47 < JonRob> couf: +1 i think 09:47 < jmbuser> JonRob: I will review what you've written and give you my feedback 09:47 < JonRob> jmbuser: cool 09:47 < jmbuser> Regarding F8, we finished and announced FC6 DUG about halfway through the release cycle. 09:48 < JonRob> ? 09:48 < couf> jmbuser: true that, but F8 schedule is not so long (5 months) 09:48 < couf> it would be nice to take our time, to get it right 09:48 < couf> no pun intended there 09:49 < jmbuser> couf: That's true, so maybe the release cycle is too short this time 09:49 < JonRob> worried about volunteering too much 09:49 < JonRob> but i'll have time over the summer to contribute plenty 09:49 < jmbuser> At the same time, we don't F8 to work with yet, so we need to start with F7 ASAP. 09:50 < JonRob> yeah 09:50 < couf> true, although a lot of this stuff doesn't really have to change 09:50 < jmbuser> s /don't/don't have/ 09:50 * quaid is about to disappear 09:50 < quaid> I'll keep logging 09:50 < jmbuser> couf: Also true 09:50 < quaid> can someone close the meeting when you can 09:50 < quaid> sorry 09:50 < couf> quaid: sure, cya around 09:50 < quaid> I have an unusual convergence this AM, off to my eldest's physics in motion demonstration 09:50 < JonRob> cheers :D 09:51 < jmbuser> quaid: Enjoy 09:51 < jmbuser> If no objects, I can guide us through the rest of the agenda 09:51 < couf> so can we agree on getting this *done* for F8, but starting with the topics that won't change 09:51 < jmbuser> s /objects/objections/ 09:51 < jmbuser> couf: +1 09:52 < couf> jmbuser: be my guest :-) 09:52 < jmbuser> On to topic 3 then - Administration Guide 09:52 < jmbuser> Who would like to cover that subject? 09:53 < JonRob> somebody volunteered for that recently didn't they? 09:54 * jmbuser checks wiki 09:55 < jmbuser> The only solid contributor so far appears to be Dimitrios Typaldos - no lead writer listed 09:56 < couf> yeah, that's a guide we should get some interested guys on 09:56 < couf> put out a list of topics (or refine it) 09:56 < jmbuser> Any volunteer from the FDSCo to drive it? 09:56 < JonRob> i'm sorry but i have to run 09:57 < JonRob> i'll post what i've done on the spin stuff soon 09:57 < glezos> I didn't know Typaldos was contributing to the admin guide... 09:57 < JonRob> until then 09:57 < JonRob> bye! 09:57 -!- JonRob [n=jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit ["leaving"] 09:57 < jmbuser> JonRob: Thanks 09:58 < jmbuser> glezos: He put his name down for directory structure, but only quaid has touched it this year 09:58 < jmbuser> glezos: Do you know Typaldos by any chance? 09:59 < glezos> he has contributed a ton of translations in greek 09:59 < couf> I'm kinda tied up for the moment, in a month I could try to start driving it 10:00 < jmbuser> couf: Can you put yourself down as lead writer? 10:01 < jmbuser> couf: No pressure...:-) 10:01 < couf> heh, yeah, but it's a pending thing then, if someone else jumps in, I'm okay with that 10:01 * couf adds to takslist 10:01 < jmbuser> couf: That's fine - thanks 10:02 < jmbuser> Moving on to Topic 4? 10:02 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:04 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-docs 10:04 < couf> yeah, move on 10:04 < jmbuser> sorry - lousy ISP 10:05 * couf notes with 2, this isn't a real meeting 10:05 < jmbuser> Topic 4: Release Notes update / zero-day drop status 10:06 < jmbuser> Who would like to address this topic ( we will speed things up, I promise) 10:06 < jmbuser> Any takers? 10:06 < couf> jmbuser: btw while I'm editing the tasklist, you up for mentoring the Live CD? 10:06 < couf> heh, some groups are committing stuff and ready to publish the web-notes 10:06 < jmbuser> couf: Yes, count me in. 10:07 < couf> and IG asweel 10:07 < couf> s/asweel/aswell 10:07 < jmbuser> couf: Great 10:07 < jmbuser> couf: Do we have names? 10:08 < jmbuser> Shall we skip topic 4 then? 10:08 < couf> yeah, I'll try to do some publishing tonight 10:08 < jmbuser> Topic 4, going... 10:09 < couf> move on :-) 10:09 < jmbuser> going...gone! 10:09 < jmbuser> Topic 5? 10:09 < jmbuser> couf: You are editing it as we speak? 10:09 < couf> iirc, quaid was gonna check this 10:10 < jmbuser> couf: the master task list, I mean 10:10 < couf> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks 10:10 < couf> yeah 10:10 < jmbuser> couf: Topic 5? or 4? 10:10 < couf> euh 5 10:11 < couf> we should skip this aswell 10:11 < jmbuser> couf: okay 10:11 * couf notes we're not at quorum anymore 10:12 < jmbuser> glezos: Topic 6! 10:12 < glezos> wha? 10:12 < glezos> :) 10:12 < jmbuser> couf: I think that's ok regarding quorum 10:12 < couf> hey, it's your idea glezos :-) 10:12 < glezos> tags? 10:12 < jmbuser> glezos: According to the IRC, you brought it up. 10:12 < couf> aye tags 10:13 < jmbuser> glezos: Yes 10:13 < glezos> well, before each release we'll tag the documents like this: 10:13 < glezos> cvs tag 'fedora-8' 10:13 < glezos> just to know which version we 10:13 < jmbuser> glezos: Your name is in green :-) 10:13 < glezos> which version we've shipped, and to have it checkout-able in the future. 10:14 < glezos> jmbuser: stickster said he wrote a 'make tag' rule, so it's quite easy 10:14 < couf> glezos: so we could maybe use a QUEUE and PUBLISH-tag 10:14 < glezos> couf: ? 10:14 < couf> for the publish-queue, so we only publish the stuff tagged PUBLISH, and QA happens to QUEUE 10:15 < jmbuser> couf: "yay for tagging :)" 10:15 < couf> something analogic with the LIVE tagging for the websites 10:15 < couf> jmbuser: I'm all up for tags and branches :-) 10:15 < jmbuser> couf: Sounds good - is it difficult to implement? 10:16 < couf> not really, it's basicly part of cvs 10:16 < glezos> couf: Do we need tagging to decide whether something is publishable? I guess an email on the list or a wiki page would suffice, right? 10:16 * jmbuser noticed that glezos already answered the question 10:16 < couf> glezos: it could automate the process 10:17 < couf> send an e-mail to foo to QA something, let him publish -> script that does live tagging to website 10:18 < jmbuser> More automation is good - since there's no quorum, we can bring it up on the list for agreement 10:18 < jmbuser> You've got my vote 10:18 < couf> yeah +1 to list-decission 10:19 < jmbuser> Should we conclude the meeting? or any more topics? 10:19 < glezos> sorry, I didn't get what needs decision 10:19 < couf> actually, as I understand it, glezos you're basiclly talking about tagging something, whilst it's branching 10:19 < couf> glezos: idea of using tags as publishing mechanism 10:19 < jmbuser> glezos: +1 10:20 < glezos> couf: tags would be useful if for example, we had a file saying: "*this* version of the document gets published *there*".. and fully automate it. 10:20 < glezos> Soneone has to write that script though. :) 10:21 < couf> heh, yeah, that's why it's an idea ;-) 10:21 < jmbuser> I think Stickster can handle it - but we have to check with him 10:22 < jmbuser> Okay - shall we adjourn the meeting? 10:22 < couf> you know what, I'll ponder my head around it, send it to the list and we'll see what happens 10:22 < jmbuser> couf: Sounds good 10:23 < couf> jmbuser: close it ;-) 10:23 < jmbuser> 5... 10:23 < jmbuser> 4... 10:23 < jmbuser> 3... 10:23 < jmbuser> 2... 10:23 < jmbuser> 1... 10:23 < jmbuser> </meeting>
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