12:00 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings 12:01 < stickster> Bob of any kind here? couf_afk? 12:02 < quaid> BobJensen-Away, couf_afk, stickster 12:02 < Bob-Laptop> morning buoys 12:02 < quaid> looking a little light in folks today 12:02 < quaid> I forget ... 12:02 < quaid> oh, no, I remember ... if four people, we can vote 12:03 < stickster> Yup, otherwise we just summarize 12:03 < Bob-Laptop> sorry I missed last week unexpectedly 12:03 < quaid> we'll hang out a few minutes to see if glezos shows, since he was thinking of an agenda item apparently 12:03 < stickster> Yup 12:04 * stickster is making lunch for kids, but mostly paying attention 12:05 * mull lurks 12:06 < quaid> hey mull 12:06 < mull> hey 12:06 < quaid> anyone mind waiting until :15 to start? see if any wayward folks arrive? 12:06 < quaid> we may not have enough to talk about anyway ... 12:06 < quaid> well, this close to release, there is always something to think about. 12:11 * mull notices an outdated screenshot in the DUG 12:12 < mull> the login screen has changed entirely from what's there... 12:13 < stickster> mull: Use your wiki powers :-) 12:16 < quaid> or ... 12:16 < mull> hmmm, gotta think of the best way to get a screenshot of gdm login, though 12:16 < quaid> do we need the screenshot? 12:17 < mull> I'm not sure. what sort of feedback have to been getting about the "screenshots are generally bad" email? I haven't kept up 12:17 < stickster> mull: You can use Xnest to do it 12:18 < stickster> i.e. gdmthemetester 12:19 < mull> k, working out deps to install that 12:19 < mull> Xnest had file conflicts with another Xorg package... 12:20 < stickster> mull: FC6? 12:20 < mull> F7 12:20 * stickster goes PM with mull to keep channel clear 12:21 < stickster> quaid: Let's just go ahead and barrel through for now 12:22 < stickster> glezos put something on the agenda about l10n users' access to Makefile 12:22 < stickster> Can we do that, in addition to po/ stuff? 12:22 < stickster> I have no objection, means they can test translations right away 12:23 < quaid> oh, ic 12:23 < quaid> yeah, i suppose we can 12:23 < quaid> it's not the .common 12:23 < stickster> Right 12:23 < quaid> although I suppose we could include a Makefile.l10n instead and have just that r/w 12:24 < stickster> quaid: Oh, that is actually a very good idea! 12:24 < quaid> oh! 12:24 * quaid is pwoud of himself now 12:24 < stickster> Oops, didn't mean to sound so surprised :-D 12:24 * quaid retroactively declares 12:24 < quaid> <meeting> 12:24 < quaid> ha! 12:25 * stickster volunteers for log/summary duties 12:26 < quaid> ok, thanks 12:26 < quaid> so we solved the first thing :) 12:26 < quaid> what is the ? on the FDUG 12:27 < stickster> I don't know whether that's just a call for status, or what. 12:27 < stickster> jmbabich is stateside for a while and may not be able to do much with it for the next little while 12:27 < stickster> I see that a contributor has stepped in to work on it a little 12:27 < stickster> I would like to see more folks pitching in. 12:28 < quaid> yes 12:28 < quaid> but then we get that good ol' inconsistency of style and methods 12:29 < stickster> Right 12:29 < stickster> Are we concerned at all about the growing number of guides and the lack of follow-through? 12:30 < quaid> not yet 12:30 < quaid> there shall be some purging, soon enough 12:31 < stickster> okey-dokey 12:31 < quaid> here's what I think ... 12:31 < quaid> I think FDSCo needs to set and enforce some heavy-handed style guidelines 12:31 < quaid> we sort of have, but we are always concerned about offending writers 12:31 < stickster> *nod 12:31 < quaid> but you never see Ulrich (bad example!) being nice about someone's coding style 12:32 < stickster> That's an excellent point 12:32 * stickster rubs hands gleefully 12:32 < stickster> And we do have an excellent Style guide on the wiki, thanks to Patrick 12:34 < quaid> I'm happy to tell people what I think they should do, but it would help if we were all consistent together on this 12:35 * BobJensen-Away looks to EvilBob... 12:35 < BobJensen-Away> hehehe 12:36 < stickster> quaid: If it's not documented in our Style docs on the wiki, very easy to add sections 12:36 < stickster> Then we all have a common cry 12:37 < quaid> I'm happy with that style guide, now that I clarified on the active/passive voice stuff :) 12:37 * stickster forgets the clarification 12:37 < stickster> I do see a lot of passive voice still in the Style Guide though :-D 12:37 < quaid> I know 12:38 < stickster> Is that OK by you? 12:38 < quaid> not necc 12:38 < quaid> just lazy about fixing it 12:38 < quaid> suppose I can do that 12:43 < stickster> So I was about to say, the situations where passive voice works better do exist, but they're rare 12:43 < stickster> We rarely put out "guidelines" or "recommendations" in our technical docs. Usually it's procedural, and we're indicating exactly what to do. 12:44 < stickster> Even in a "guideline" situation, you can label active voice with "Use the following guidelines" for an itemized list, and still use active voice 12:46 < stickster> Ha! 12:46 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide/GeneralGuidelines 12:46 < stickster> Look at the first admonition 12:46 < stickster> "Passive voice should be avoided unless necessary" :-D 12:47 * stickster decides to give it a pass-through 12:47 < quaid> heh 12:47 < quaid> ah, irony 12:47 < quaid> go ahead 12:47 * stickster wields the machete 12:47 * quaid is on CommonMistakes atm 12:48 < stickster> Do we have any other agenda item updates? 12:48 < stickster> Let me jump in with a status on CVS -- we are now using "xml2po -k". I will be rebuilding and committing POT/PO today, so there will be commits coming through. 12:49 < stickster> *end of stickster biznez 12:50 * stickster gets rid of "commanding voice" (whatever that means), which necessitates use of "you" 12:51 < quaid> that's fine 12:52 < quaid> I need to look at GSoC eventually 12:52 < stickster> No one here for the other items, let's close the meeting and jam 12:53 < quaid> ok, I see Patrick accepted my mentor request 12:53 < stickster> cool 12:53 < quaid> so now I have a queue 12:53 < quaid> I need to grow some more mentors 12:53 < quaid> I'll ask on the list :) 12:55 < stickster> Everybody knows Wiki freeze is coming up tomorrow, yes? 12:57 < stickster> 2359 IIRC 12:59 * quaid scared! 12:59 < stickster> yeah, looks a little sparse this time 12:59 < quaid> fuckers 12:59 * stickster predicts a mad rush post test4 12:59 < stickster> H 12:59 < quaid> its because rahul is leaving us out to dry :D 12:59 < stickster> No slam against mether, he carries a lot of buckets 12:59 < quaid> stickster: will you ... 12:59 < quaid> send an email to ... 13:00 * stickster prepares blog entry 13:00 < quaid> f-devel-l? 13:00 < stickster> Sure 13:00 < quaid> ok, that too 13:00 < stickster> both, +1 13:00 < quaid> BobJensen: are you on f-maintainers? 13:00 < Bob-Laptop> Please 13:00 < quaid> Bob-Laptop: can you email f-maintainers? 13:00 < Bob-Laptop> I have not been able to sent email out for 11 or 12 days 13:00 < stickster> yikes 13:00 < quaid> we need to let the former Extras group know that this is their relnotes, too 13:00 < quaid> Bob-Laptop: woah 13:01 * quaid takes f-maintainers 13:01 < Bob-Laptop> I am working on upgrading the mail server to CentOS 4.92 today it was FC2, something is busted 13:02 < stickster> Bob-Laptop: Scan bugzilla for things with requires-fedora-release-note flag on 13:02 < stickster> Make sure we have that stuff covered too 13:02 < stickster> I think that was the flag name... 13:02 < Bob-Laptop> stickster: Yup 13:02 * stickster has got to get to the IG today if possible 13:03 < Bob-Laptop> once I get this mail working I will be in BZ and wiki until we freeze 13:03 < stickster> k 13:03 < Bob-Laptop> I took tomorrow off because I know the notes need work 13:04 < quaid> ok, Bob-Laptop has BZ 13:04 < quaid> there may not be much, i haven't looked recently though 13:04 < stickster> I've been keeping an eye on stuff coming on the relnotes mail feed, I don't think there's a walloping lot 13:06 * quaid sends f-maintainers email and uses "stupidly easy" in it 13:06 < stickster> heh, way to tweak 'em 13:06 * stickster will take care of f-devel-l 13:07 < stickster> I'm copying your email. 13:08 < Bob-Laptop> I had pinged Rex to get some KDE info in to the beats, not sure if anything happened there 13:08 < stickster> Bam! 13:08 * stickster kicks it up a notch 13:09 < stickster> Are we EOM now? 13:09 < quaid> yes 13:09 < quaid> </meeting> -- Paul W. 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