after some talk with nirik ( who maintain many xfce4 but not like xfce-panel which is responsible on the layout) he suggested nirik: I would say post to the dev list and suggest your layout and ask if there has been thought to the default layout for 4.6 and see if they have further ideas? my suggestion is to take in consideration that xfce users usually have less ram, less resolution because XFCE is light yet feature full I suggest having only one panel which have menu some launchers separator window list (taskbar) workspace switcher in two rows to save space systray clock volume mixer here is a screen shot http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfce4layoutck3.png -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list