On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 22:38 -0400, Horst H. von Brand wrote: > Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 14:31 -0400, Horst H. von Brand wrote: > > > Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 11:11 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I understand why rawhide should be frozen at some points, > > > > > Openly said, I don't understand this. To me, these freezes are a defect > > > > in Rel-Eng's procedures, which could easily be overcome, if they wanted > > > > to. > > > > What Rel-Eng wants is that the rawhide snapshot that Is To Be Fedora-<next> > > > gets beaten to a pulp by us rawhideans. Yes, I'd also like for the > > > rollercoaster ride to continue, but there is no way around that us crazy > > > bunch needs a little gentle leading to help out stabilize the next > > > release. Plus I can imagine that most (all?) developers are concentrating > > > on that job, so there are not many hands free to work of pushing the > > > envelope forward in any case. > > > What I would like to see it Rel-Eng to adopt the development principles, > > most other developments apply: > > > > Decouple "product development" (here: FC<N+1>) development from bleeding > > edge "unstable/experimental" "head development" (here: rawhide). > > Needs more hands. Starves the "product development" of developers and > testers. I don't see this - To the contrary. I feel the current model is driving away developers and testers, esp. packagers. > Was the idea in Linux before 2.6, was abandoned for exactly the > above reasons. ... but it is the idea which is being applied almost anywhere else. Ask yourself: Is the current development model in Fedora a success? I don't think so. - Fedora releases essentially are rawhide snapshots. Packages from rawhide automatically become "stable" (Lack of "rawhide/testing"). E.g. I have package upgrades pending, I currently don't want to push to Fedora, because I fear them to be too unstable for a product. - Fedora's release process starves package development. E.g. I have several (upstream) package upgrades pending, I can't push to Fedora because to the freezes are permanently interfering. - rawhide is too volatile to be usable for many testers, esp. packagers testing their packages. - The current process introduces a bloated bureaucracy to work around the side-effects of "not-branches". Ralf -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
