James Antill wrote: > On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 13:02 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > >> The question is: if one could throw RPM away and design a new one, could one >> do significantly better? > > Of course one could, the relevant question is _how long_ would it take. > And could it be done faster by just fixing rpm, and I've not seen any > compelling arguments that it would be faster to throw away what we have. I made it very clear in my mail that I'm not suggesting that we should throw RPM away. The question I asked is supposed to give one an idea of how much of the problem is caused by the current implementation as opposed to the inherent complexity of the problem. >> Lets look back at the problem at hand: we all agree that custom-installed >> glob-matched post-transaction triggers are useful things. I think I can also >> say that we agree that it should be in the lowest-level package management >> system. What has been up to debate so far is whether that lowest-level is >> RPM, or that RPM is a lost case and yum is considered the lowest-level. > > That is a severe mis-reading of the discussion, the question is given > that rpm+yum are currently how all Fedora users manage their system. Do > we want to still require that all packaging problems should be solved at > the rpm layer, or should we try to move up and allow some more of the > problems to be solved at the yum layer. > There are many advantages to doing this, including just plain ease of > implementation. The only real disadvantage is that apt/smart/zypp/etc. > will become even more of a second class citizen in Fedora than they > already are (although I'm confident that the change proposed by Seth > could easily be ported to work in all of the above). What exactly in my paragraph you quotes is "a severe mis-reading of the discussion"? You say the exact same thing as I did except that instead of calling RPM a lost case as I did, you call this approach making apt/smart/zypp/etc. even more of a second class citizen. End result is the same pig: use yum or be screwed. You and Seth seem to be on the camp that thinks it's no big deal if one uses RPM directly and gets into a suboptimal state. Some of us think that that's unacceptable. We disagree and that's fine. Whoever ends up doing the work decides what to do. I fully understand that and don't mean to imply what people should be working on. Hope I've made myself clear this time. behdad -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
