2008/9/7 Benjamin Kreuter <ben.kreuter@xxxxxxxxx>: > I usually agree with the FSF on these matters, but firmware is where I part > ways with them. And you know what... that's absolutely OKAY. We aren't going to get much accomplished by getting stuck in a debate over the ethical or moral necessity of this. The only question that matters right now is this... Do we want people who feel they must make a personal choice to avoid using closed firmware the ability to use Fedora? If so are we as a project making progress to see that that happens by working with upstream kernel developers to make that possible without adding gobs of Fedora specific kernel patches? All we can do is do our best to make progress on this in a way that does not sacrifice our own core project ideals. What we first and foremost is a conduit between users and upstream development. We must continue to endeavor to see that the changes that we desire or champion get into the upstream development. Is progress being made? The fedora-kernel-list discussions seems to indicate that we are on the right track. The proponents for a blob-less kernel might not be happy with the pace...but it seems to be we are trying to be responsive in a way that makes sense from our project's point of view. It seems to me we have a way forward and its just a matter of getting people to agree to take each step on the path. -jef"but what the hell do i know anyways"spaleta -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list