Re: Xorg 1.5 missed the train?

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Bill Crawford wrote:

So why should "Fedora" commit to supporting "binary driver Foo" before
their release is ready?
That has nothing to do with what I said.  I'm suggesting that fedora should
ship with interfaces that are publicized as standard, and allow time for
changes in this standard to propagate before shipping something different
from the standard.  This has nothing to do with supporting anything or
anyone.  It is common decency in interaction.

So in other words, Fedora must always be ... what, at least six months
behind the times, or something?

A month, maybe...

You keep saying "publicly" but for the company concerned, who will
have to make their driver work with the ABI in question, it being in
the X server code base and discussed on the mailing lists (which they
do have access to) is reasonable enough information for them to go on.
Do you have the authority to speak for them?  It just does not sound like a
reasonable business decision to expect anyone to make.

Huh? I'm pointing out that they speak for themselves. You're just
making argument for the sake of it now.

No, that's not what they've said.

> Why should anyone be held
hostage to nVidia's "business decisions"?

Publishing/following standards leaves no one hostage to anything.

Least of all the people
developing the X server, who manage to work quite well with others.

And that release notice?

Not their fault if a certain company won't play well.

With what standard?

Unless you install fedora, which doesn't mention that it shipped a
pre-release.

It's quite apparent that the situation would still have arisen even if
1.5 had made the release date for Fedora, as mentioned elsewhere in
this thread was a claim that nVidia want to see the new thing shipped
on a distro before committing to it.

A claim that seems to have been as fabricated as yours, or at least based on ancient history.

So, this is now irrelevant for
the discussion (because it does not materially change the outcome of
the drivers not being ready at F9 release time).

I don't think anyone can support that claim, given Nvida's public statement that they would target the X release.

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  Les Mikesell
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