On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Dave Airlie <airlied@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-05-20 at 20:48 -0700, Christopher Stone wrote: >> On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Dave Airlie <airlied@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > I was as much responsible for shipping 1.5 pre-release in Fedora as ajax >> > was, and funnily these threads actually move me to break the nvidia >> > driver more often rather than less :-) >> >> I think you are missing the point. Just because nVidia sucks, it >> doesn't mean we have to make Fedora "suck". This is linux, and it >> should be possible to have a system which everyone can enjoy. With >> just a little bit of extra effort, a set of stable xorg rpms could >> have been provided in a f9 testing repo for nVidia users to use >> temporarily. We can still make a distro which is friendly to nVidia >> users without slowing down progress for everyone else. I see this >> mainly as a user friendliness issue more than an open source vs closed >> source issue. I hope Josh is correct and we will have some nVidia >> drivers to test with soon. > > The thing is there are much more binary drivers than nvidia, if we take > the attitude we should support binary driver users, we would end up > having an Xorg for nvidia, and Xorg for fglrx, and Xorg for parhelia, > and Xorg for 3dlabs, along with a kernel for each. The thing is we > can't. > > If it takes me one or two days to do packages for a driver I'm not even > going to download onto my system, that is one or two days I'm not > pushing forward the open source graphics system. Both myself and ajax's > primary roles in life is to work on Red Hat Enterprise products, we > manage to schedule a fair percentage of our time to work on Fedora and > upstream projects due to nice managers. If I was to give up one or two > days of this time to doing something for binary drivers, it would mean I > wouldn't get to spend those two days I've managed to drag myself away > from Enterprise stuff on making the open-source drivers work as well as > I can in the time allowed. So you want me to spend my time supporting a > company that won't help me, just because you gave them money? I don't want you to spend time supporting a company, I want you to spend time supporting the Fedora users who love their OS and would love to be able to use their hardware to its fullest extent. That is all. I really don't expect an xorg build for every binary blob out there, but a stable version of xorg as an alternative for those who are having problems with the beta version should have been given more consideration in my opinion. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
