On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 16:47 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 14:29 +0300, Dmitry Butskoy wrote: > >> Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>> * Ban unicode in package names (no draft submitted) > >>> * Not accepted > >>> > >> Oops... > >> The example of such an unicode name used is "écolier-fonts" . > >> > >> Then consider any user in non-latin1 locale. For example, my locale is > >> Russian. I have no "é" on my keyboard... > > You are reiterating my mantra, which had been the reason for me to > > propose banning unicode in package names. > > > > Unfortunately, my FPC colleagues seem to be keen on shooting themselves > > into their foot and to be keen on letting Fedora's usability to regress > > further. > > > >> Well, I can use cut and paste, when I have a mouse and the text is > >> already shown on my desktop. > >> But what I have to do, when use just the cmdline interface? IOW, without > >> any GUI -- just the Linux console, or remote ssh session? How can I fill > >> the "é" character then? > >> > >> It seems that the only way to operate with such a filename is to use > >> shell wildcards: "rpm -qa \?colier-fonts" etc. > >> > >> Does it mean, that the command line interface as well as any other > >> non-GUI core applications are now deprecated? ;) > > > > Apparently that's what Fedora is heading to - Too many kids around, whio > > have grown up with Win, I suppose. > > > > You guys are blowing this way out of proportion, I massively disagree, ... what you currently observe is negligible in comparison to the flame that I expect you to experience when this would hit the repos. > it would seriously help to > read the actual irc log. Also its too bad that it wasn't made clear in the > summary that this was not on the agenda, but only something discussed during > the free discussion phase at the end of the meeting. It had been discussed in FPC before (When you had not been member: 2 weeks ago), it had been discussed in bugzilla (écollier-fonts review), it had been discussed on the fedora-packaging list before (ca. 2 weeks ago). > AFAIK the whole FPC does not want to allow unicode names at the moment, but we > don't want to forbid them for now and ever on also, which is what the current > proposal basicly says. > > What would be good to have is a more balanced proposal which: > 1) Explains that for now unicode filenames, and thus packagenames are forbidden > because we don't know if our infrastructure is ready > 2) Lays out a plan (involving for example a test repo with unicode filenames, > and asking a few mirrors to try and sync to this in a _separate_ cronjob) > for making sure that our infrastructure gets fixed to handle this. > 3) Calls for a revisit of this issue once the infra is ready. > > And then, when we reach step 3 (like with F-12), we can discuss all the > perceived usability issues, atm unicode package / filenames should simply not > be used! I can only reiterate what I've said dozens of times before: The technical issues are irrelevant, because they are solvable - The usability issues matter. Ralf -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
