On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 09:30 -0500, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:17:18 +0100 > Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > I tend to agree. Then again, I'm in the position of doing all the > > > pushes so I have a unique view upon it. But it feels to me that > > > packagers are all too eager to just release anything and everything > > > across the releases, without regard to a 'stable release'. > > It won't surprise you that I can't avoid to disagree vehemently. What > > you call "eager" in many cases is "bug-fixing across distros". > > > Ralf, please don't confuse these things. Rest assured, I don't confuse them - I feel you to be wanting to outlaw updating packages in released distros in general. > I'm perfectly fine and > encourage bugfixing across releases. What I'm discouraging is version > upgrades for new features or spurious builds for spec fixes and other > unnecessary things that are done across the releases trees, not just on > rawhide. Of cause such things are happening, I don't deny them, but ... how can you be sure these updates won't fix something you're not aware about? When I have look at the embarrassing shape some packages are in (eg. SELinux, evolution just to name a few), I can only conclude Fedora doesn't see enough updates (Fortunately some devs seem to have learned their lessons. Chapeau to mebrown who as I feel is doing a terrific job on getting mock on FC8 in a stable shape). > These are the things that I don't like to see, and these are > the things that lessen the value of a release. The problem is: Except of trivial cases, they are very hard to recognize to somebody who is not deeply familiar with a package. My current favorite example: Why has doxygen not yet been upgraded on Fedora 8? Shipping it for Fedora 8 doesn't directly fix anything in FC8 itself, except that it helps avoiding yum getting confused on some-multilib related issues for packages which will be rebuilt during FC8's life time, but ... The real benefit would happen outside of Fedora. Ralf -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
