With NetworkManager-0.7.0-0.3.svn2886.fc8 most of the strangeness has gone away. I can use it to connect to wireless networks again without a lot of service restarting. For iwl3945, kernel-2.6.23-0.204.rc8.fc8 seems broken still. The 181 kernel works though. darrell -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list