BTW, on the same topic. Another reason our package management sucks is its propagation time. Builds are composed in koji. Then after a while propagated to a master serveur. Then after some hours or days synced by several layers of mirrors. Then at last installed on user systems. So you have this huge delay between packager action and package propagation. In particular that means when a faulty package is released (cough rawhide cough) it continues to be installed by users hours or days after the packager has identified there's a problem and started to work on a fix. Meanwhile users flood the support channels with the same questions (or not, since so many people hit the same problems they just hope someone else already reported them and keep quiet) Since everyone feeding from the same instantaneously-updated root server won't happen, the next best thing would be not to add a wiki with info on known problems (difficult to keep up to date and no one will read it before hitting problems anyway), but rss-like blacklist support in yum. (just a signed known-bad package list in a central location yum would consult before considering new packages) PROs : - such a list can be updated in real-time with little effort (just put a FAS-protected webform somewhere before the blacklist generator) - such a list would be small, so there's no reasons user yums can not consult it directly instead of going through the big-latency mirror hierarchy (additionnally I'm sure the people counting fedora users would like this) - blacklisting bad packages gives packagers some time to fix problems - blacklisting bad packages means support channels are not flooded with the same repeated questions - working real-time blacklisting means testers know that if they hit a problem it's probably not been reported yet, so doing it is helpful to the project CONS I don't see any Thoughts? -- Nicolas Mailhot
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