I just want to re-mention this problem, because I saw it again yesterday and I think it's rather important to look into... Fedora 7 doesn't use network anymore; instead, it uses NetworkManager to create network connections at startup. That's fine, except for one thing; NetworkManager needs DBus to be running to start, and DBus won't start unless the system can get all the logins at that point. There's no problem if all logins are local, but if they aren't (using LDAP or ActiveDirectory or something like that), then the DBus startup script hangs, then crashes out, which is no good. I tried moving NetworkManager up, but as I mentioned before, it requires DBus to already be running. That means that the system has to run the network init script if the system is using network logins, just so DBus can get the list of logins at startup. The problem completely disappeared when I reactivated the normal network init script. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list