On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 11:28 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 18:11 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 09:48 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > > > On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 16:50 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > > Le Mer 9 mai 2007 14:12, David Woodhouse a écrit : > > > > > > The latest clash is people trying to ignore Core rules and apply Extra > > > > practices to a Core component. Obviously there needs to be some sort > > > > of convergence to avoid new incidents > > > > > > Yes. Merging is a two way street, so some adaptations will be required > > > on both sides. > > Don't you think we already have done? > > > > Whether you like it or not, from a community point of view, actually > > nothing substantial has changed so far, except that we have been facing > > the side-effects of "construction-work near RH" on the Fedora > > infrastructure. > > > > Wrt. "collaboration with RH" and "unifying Core and Extra"s on packaging > > work actually nothing much has happened. Packages which have been under > > RH control still are under RH control and what had been under "community > > maintenance" still also is. > > Not true. KDE is now co-maintained with a community developer, C'mon, Rex has relabeled his former kde-redhat work under the Fedora brand. > and that > developer has actually committed changes to CVS now. That's just one > concrete example. Great, _one_ developer (and FBP, FESCO and FPC member) has CVS access. > We're also getting requests from packagers to allow builds for Core > packages that bring in Extras deps. > Things are not going to change magically overnight. Have patience. Don't you think we already are? I have not complained about nobody having done anything on this (IMO: unusable flagged review stuff causing the bugzilla list to be flooded, I did not complain about the web-pages going on and off almost daily. I did not complain about plague suddenly going offline for devel and being replaced with something largely undocumented called koji. I did not complain about all @RH's missing at the FPC meeting yesterday because (as it had leaked through other channels) them having been at the "RedHat summit". I did not complain about the merger "Freezing former Extras" (A regression in comparison to the pre-merger situation), ... Now accuse me to be impatient again ;) > But > your claims that it's "Red Hat vs. the community" are simply not true. Ask yourselves: Who decides on Core packages? @RH Example: The perl-packaging split, inclusion of non-free firmware packages, @RH's reactions on reviews, etc. Ralf -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
