David Zeuthen <david <at> fubar.dk> writes: > - Provide their own UI for using the device; just provide the drivers, > thank you very much; we don't really need foreign tools to make this > harder on the users. Bad. And we (users of HP printers) are supposed to check the ink levels, clean the cartridges etc. how then? Where's the non-"foreign" (i.e. non-vendor) tools to handle this? Oh wait, there aren't any... > - All the HP stuff, since there is a lot of it, pulls in Qt So what? How is it better if it pulls in GTK+ instead? Not all the world uses GNOME... Now they couldn't provide a GUI tool at all, but then see the above paragraph for why that would be a bad idea. > Instead, for example, HP should get their scanner drivers into the SANE > project. My personal opinion is that with HPLip, HP is paying lip > service to the Linux community by treating us as if we were Windows > where this sort of "let's throw lots of vendor-specific tools and UI > crap at the user" is common. My personal opinion is that thanks to hplip, HP printers are the ones which support Free Software the best. > HP: please try to be a good open source citizen. Sure, about the daemon, the user-space vfat driver etc., the implementation of hplip could be less of a mess, but it's all vendor-provided GPL code! There aren't many vendors doing that. So calling HP "not a good open source citizen" just because their GPL code doesn't fit your standards of quality is really unfair IMHO. As for the actual issue in this thread, I have a suggestion: what about making hp-toolbox a separate subpackage of hplip, which is not installed by default, but which (when installed) comes with a menu item? That would solve both the "vendor-specific menu item forced on everyone" and the "hplip requires PyQt" issues. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list