Just out of curiosity, isn't redhat interested in this feature? It's alright if not, before someone briefs me on the joyful relationship of red and the community. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureNewInit?highlight=%28CategoryFedora7Features%29 Btw. does redhat have plans, long term strategy or case studies about the detrimental effect of traditional unix leftovers? At the current state rhel5 and the ongoing fc branch seemingly enjoys this tradition, and there's no sign of real change. Is this indeed the future? Bela -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list