On 1/9/07, Paul Michael Reilly <pmr@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Speaking from a community perspective, YES.
Speaking from a community perspective, i completely and utterly disagree with you. I say we have a dance-dance-revolution dance off to decide which of us really speaks for the community. Go back and read my posts concerning my take on the branding issue. There is room in the spin-space for a Gnome spin that is separate from the Desktop spin, and you'll note that David, a member of the desktop agreed with me about the potential future existence of pure Gnome spin. We absolutely MUST stop this petty bickering over branding. You have to view this entire Fedora project experiment as an incremental growth process. If you ball your fist and shake it in the air shouting 'viva la revolution' at every opportunity you are missing the whole point about building a sustainable long term collaboration space. I think its pretty clear, that there is a substantial communication break-down specifically with the Desktop team which is impairing our ability to plan for the future. We aren't going to fix the fundamental communication issue, by standing on soapboxes and demanding to be heard or demanding that current decisions be undone. We may have a chance to fix some of the underlying communication issues at FudCon so we can avoid further bloodshed for the future. I swear to Bob that I'm going to make sure that everyone when my physical reach during any discussions over the communication gap will participating in such discussion in a constructive conversation about how to fix it, instead of just throwing around blame and accusations. Herding cats is hard, but I found you can get a misbehaving cat to respond to you with a simple squirt of water from a spray bottle. We'll see if the save corrective action works for codemonkeys at FUDCon. But more importantly in the near term. the fact that there is going to be a KDE spin is a fundamentally important step in terms of opening the process for community involvement. How about we, as engaged and proactive community members, focus on making the technical side of that happen. Whether the Desktop spin is called the Desktop spin or the 'Office Professional Workforce of Doom' spin its trivially unimportant compared to helping Rex get the KDE spin out the door. The WHOLE idea of opening up the spin space for community involvement is way way way too new to be hung up over what this crap is going to be called in the long run. It's an evolving process, and we need to learn when to put away the pitchforks and torches and accept incremental gains, learn to accept that disagreements will happen in the short term, and learn to accept that there is value towards building long term consensus by the application of persist ant and rational lobbying for ideas. We absolutely MUST stop creating bad blood by insisting on belaboring the flaws in how communication between Core planning and community planning as been so far handled. What is happening right now isn't helping, all we are doing now is fostering a environment where people are talking past each other. The Desktop spin is meant to be a best-of-breed spin, which may change over time as applications change. That is not a bad thing. There is room in spin space for both a Gnome and KDE spin in addition to the Desktop spin, as I have written in previous posts. Time will tell if the Gnome zealots who would like to see a vanilla Gnome application stack in a spin including gnumeric,abiword,ephinany will step up and manage the creation of a purist Gnome spin that does not suffer from the application best-of-breed trade-offs in the Desktop spin. -jef"my pitchfork is bigger than yours"spaleta -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
