Since as long as I can remember (the Mother's day release?), Red Hat Linux implemented the User Private Group scheme out-of-the-box. It is documented in all on-line Red Hat manuals. It consists of two pieces: a) private primary group for each user instead of "users" b) umask of 002 for user accounts According to the changelog for the setup RPM, /etc/bashrc was changed last March to use 022 for all accounts. However, private primary groups are still created for user accounts. The current situation is odd, however, with (a) still in effect, but (b) gone. There is no mention in any release notes that I can find. Why the change, and what's the plan/status of UPG? I can understand if UPG is going away, as the problem that UPG addresses can be handled with FACLs and default ACLs on directories (my Linux training manuals have now been updated with using-FACLs-instead-of-UPG). IMHO, either UPG should stay in it's entirety, or it should go in it's entirety. Dax Kelson Guru Labs -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list