Callum Lerwick <seg@xxxxxxxxxx>: > For those of us who only joined the project in the last year or so, > could you please point us to the original thread? WTF is this all about? In a nutshell, I won't be a Fedora package maintainer if it means I have to do special hand-work every time I ship a release. The more general problem is that the Fedora submission system doesn't scale (or at least, appears to me not to scale) for maintainers with *lots* of projects. In 2003 I offered to write tools to attack this problem by automating the client end of release submissions. I actually did write a script that can enter bugs with attachments to a Bugzilla instance under program control; it's been part of the mainline Bugzilla release since, hmm, 2004 I think. The next step was going to be to write a 'fedora-submit' wrapper around that. Warren Togami liked the idea at the time, but seems to have changed his mind since. I trust my reply to Warren Togami will supply sufficient additional context. > Whats the problem, and how exactly is it leading to the Imminent Death > of Fedora Also Red Hat? In 2003, when I first tried to attack this problem, Fedora was riding high. Since then, a series of strategic blunders on the part of both Red Hat and the Fedora project leadership have thrown away most of the advantages in reality and perception that Fedora had at the time. The best index of their failure is the rising popularity of Ubuntu. I view the failure of Fedora to address my scaling issue as a symptom or indicator of a larger failure to do what it took to retain community and developer support at the level it enjoyed in 2003. When a developer of my stature and experience feels like he's being forced away from a distribution he's supported for over ten years, that's damn bad news for a distribution which, on the market- and mind-share evidence, has already screwed lots of other pooches. How do I put this delicately...oh, to hell with delicately. If they won't listen respectfully to a guy who helped found the entire fricking open-source movement, my confidence that they'll pay the attention they must to J. Random Developer is *nil*. Warren Togami's "on crack" remarks have just demonstrated that he has his head jammed firmly up his ass, and (sadly) I have no evidence that the rest of the project leadership is any less ingrown and cut off from reality. I'm not predicting Imminent Death Of Fedora. I'm saying that you are running out of time and room to maneuver. Your project leadership has been displaying every sign of strategic incompetence since before 2003. I honestly wish you luck pulling out of that dive. -- <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond</a> -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
