On 12/1/06, jam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <jam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
a valid point-- however users want these things and if it's "too difficult"
i want a pony. It's over there in that field marked no traspassing. All you have to do is open the gate and go get it and bring it to me. Give me that pony. Give it to me now. No, I don't mind if its dead. No, feel free to keep beating it after its dead, I still want it.
to get them installed and operational they will go elsewhere.
Having everyone use fedora.. is not the point. It absolutely is not the point. The point is building a future where everyone, everywhere, has equal access to the tools to be self-sufficient digital technology builders and consumers, We are not going to shirk the responsibility for the sake of today's proprietary technological whims. Its a waste of effort and a road to nowhere. The scare resource is not userbase, the scarce resource is competent technical development manpower, especially hardware specific competence. It would be a nearly criminal mismanagement of resources to expend developer time on technology that could not be openly diagnosed and fixed. We shall not offer technology that we can not supoport as a community. We shall not offer technology that we can not legally provide to everyone.
like the original poster, I applaud the idea of sticking to the guns and not shipping any "grey" content, but that does *not* solve the problem for the vast majority of potential fedora users, and the matter needs to be addressed rather soon if we want to have a serious set of desktop users.
So what if we don't win a sizable fraction of today's desktops? That has never been the goal. I will state, emphatically, that we have more than enough Fedora desktop users right now, to continue to drive interest in development of desktop components of Fedora forward. No rational person can argue otherwise. The grotesquely productivity-destroying desktop effects in FC6 are but one example of continued progress in desktop development, which sadly works just fine on my intel box with integrated graphics. The future of this project does not need a significant injection of additional desktop users to flourish.. and we have no reason to be greedy about collecting them. Desktop users are not pogs and they are not pokemon.. we do not in fact have a mandate to collect even most of them. If people do not want to use Fedora as their desktop and would prefer another Linux distribution, that is an absolutely acceptable outcome. Choice is good, we do not have to be the best choice for most people right now, or tomorrow, or next year. All we need to do is concentrate on building better choices for everyone in the long run. And I will also, emphatically state, that future users need a complete open source technology stack far far more than most of them currently realize. Fedora is working on that critical long term need, in unsung heroic fashion. -jef"I'm more than happy to see Fedora skip the desktop paradigm completely and focus on what comes next: neural implants, dophin-friendly computing, olpc"spaleta -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
