On Wed, 26 Jul 2006, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Wednesday 26 July 2006 13:22, Chris Chabot wrote:
Isn't that what 'releases' are for, major updates & upgrades? It will be
kind of hard for anyone making software to say "Works well on fedora core
5, if you exclude these packages, or haven't/have updated before/after
xx-xx-xxxx"
To me a 'supported' (bad word to use I know :-)) release would mean that
its API/ABI stable, but security fixes are made available, and if something
works with 'FC-5', then it should work with FC-5
Fedora isn't about a stable platform though. Things churn even within a
release. A fedora release is more of a snapshot + some cleaning up to make
an installable release. Generally new packages are not added, and we'll keep
binary compatibility, but things can and do churn, like kernels, or X. We're
not providing a stable application platform, that would be RHEL's job. We're
providing something different.
That would not be so bad if you were not backing users into a corner.
With FC4 being depricated any day now and X 7.1 breaking a large number of
users, the results are not going to be very good from a PR perspective,
let alone a usability perspective.
Have you ever tried to buy a new video card? You have three basic
choices. nVIDIA, ATI, or something where you have no clue what the
chipset is because it is the $9 card in a blank box.
People use the proprietary drivers because they want Quake 4 to play at a
useful framerate or the RSS flying donut screensaver to look cool. They
want real graphic acceleration on the card they bought, not some obscure
chipset that they cannot find. (And yes, Intel qualifies for obscure. I
have yet to find an Intel AGP card for sale by any of the vendors out
there. Google searches have turned up almost nothing.) They do not want
to rip out their motherboard to get support for the cool eyecandy that 7.1
promises.
I will explain the situation I am in. I have an AMD 64 laptop with an
nVIDIA 440 go chipset. If I want the s-video output or the external vga
output to work, I have to use the proprietary driver. (Furthermore, I
have to use a version two revisions back with a couple of patches to get
those to work since they broke that function in the last two driver
releases.) Even without that, the nv driver is very slow and behaves
badly if I need to leave X. I cannot just install a new video card and I
doubt if you can find an AMD64 laptop with an Intel video chipset. ATI is
not much of a better option. (ATI only supports some of their chipsets
under Linux and the open source driver has been a pain ever time I have
tried it.)
If you are going to break things you need to at least give me a couple of
options that will work. So far, the mantra of "use an opensource driver"
does not cut it for most every use out there.
On a similar note, does the ALGLX and X 7.1 work correctly with the Matrox
450 Max?
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