Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
I can only approve phasing out core fonts one way or another.
Technically, I believe complete removal of all core font support would result in an X Window System implementation which is non-compliant I believe. The X Window System does not require a font server to be present as a separate standalone process however, so we can certainly phase out xfs. We (well, everyone out there actually) will probably have to provide core fonts support forever, or X11 conformant applications will just fail. Long term, what would be really nice, is if someone figured out a way to implement core fonts using fontconfig/Xft underneath so we have one font system, and it provides legacy compatibility to ancient applications that have not been updated to modern interfaces. That is something that would need to be spearheaded at the X.Org level rather than at a specific distribution however.
In fact I'm convinced the last strugglers will *never* move to
> fontconfig unless Red Hat / Fedora or another big distro > exerts a bit of pressure (as was the case for the gcc, utf-8 > and selinux migrations), so waiting so long
for even making core fonts optional was in the end conterproductive (and OLPC is paying the price today).
Core fonts are non-optional. It is xfs that is optional, however there was no real world gains to disabling it by default before, but there was functionality loss without re-engineering the rest of the OS to provide the same level of core font support via the X server. As such, we stuck with using xfs under the "if it's not broke, don't try to fix it" principle. Now however, there are some real gains to be had, in particular for OLPC and/or other embedded distros, and so it seems that now is the time to address this.
However I know it's a difficult decision to take, as the users of the bad citizen apps still relying on core fonts are certain to yell loudly near FC-6 release.
It's a _very_ difficult decision indeed IMHO. There are many applications that ship as part of the X Window System itself, as well as numerous apps that are part of Fedora Core and Extras, not to mention numerous 3rd party apps beyond that out there, all which use core fonts exclusively. I believe that there will be some problems created when this change happens, but such is the way of progress. ;o) Once the problems are more visible, we'll be in a better situation to try to address as many as we can prior to FC-6 hopefully. Thanks for the feedback. -- Mike A. Harris * Open Source Advocate * http://mharris.ca Proud Canadian. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
